1868 1c Indian Cent Doubled Die Obverse / DDO FS-101

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stufanone New Member United States 14 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 12:04 pm i am confused about this coin. I was told it is Machine Doubling. I am confused because I compared my coin to the picture at PCGS coin facts and in my opinion it looks the same. I added a screenshot I took of the pcgs picture for comparison, it's the last picture. so, I was hoping I could get an opinion from here to put my mind at ease. thanks. * Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. * Edited by stufanone 10/08/2025 12:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6499 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 12:15 pm From the Cherrypicker's Guide entry for 1868 1¢ FS-101: "Doubling is evident on the RTY of LIBERTY and on the ribbon, especially at the L." What you are looking at on USoA is longacre doubling, Die Deterioration Doubling, or possibly Machine Doubling. It is entirely possible that the specimens of FS-101 displayed on PCGS also have LD, DDD, MD in that area. You need to compare your RTY of the word Liberty and the ribbon to the examples of FS-101. Hope this helps. Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6499 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 12:19 pm This site shows a good picture. Look at 1868 Snow-1 (and 18?). https://indiancentvarieties.com/dou...e_index.html Then check out the PCGS full coin images and check out the doubling: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...8-2-rd/37464 Report this Post to the Staff
MisterT Pillar of the Community United States 2003 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 12:24 pm What I am seeing is Longacre doubling. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188213 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 12:41 pm I agree as well. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Earle42 Bedrock of the Community United States 10038 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 12:59 pm Funny I was just writing about this yesterday in the book I am putting together. Longacre doubling typically surrounds the letters such as your UNITED STATES pics are showing. I also remember reading online someplace that seems to be most prevalent on IHC and Seated Liberty coinage. Theories include the punch making the letters was shaved down on the sides to produce a shelf. The punch was then hit hard enough to make the shelf also show up. Second theory is after the punch was hit into the die the punch was slightly moved and tapped to make the shelf ("doubled" area). The idea was the shelf made it easier for the metal to flow into the letter's void and extended the die life. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6499 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 1:33 pm Earle, on this particular coin, I think it would be hard to argue that the punch was moved and struck again. The doubling extends around the letters in all directions. I seems easier to make a case that the punch was edged first, or that this coin is displaying DDD from late stage die flow. Report this Post to the Staff
stufanone New Member United States 14 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 2:02 pm unfortunately my coin doesn't show the liberty well. Report this Post to the Staff
DOCC Pillar of the Community United States 1502 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 3:12 pm There are other markers to look for - it is also advised to include complete Obverse and Reverse images. Reverse Die clashing seen between ONE CENT and the left side wreath. Die scratch from the O of ONE to the wreath. I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins. Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting Report this Post to the Staff
stufanone New Member United States 14 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 6:41 pm I'm sorry I didn't add full coin pics. I know better than that. So here they are. Report this Post to the Staff
Marv65 Bedrock of the Community United States 10529 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 9:07 pm I'd go with Longacre's Doubling on this one. https://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/ Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74090 Posts	Posted 10/08/2025 9:31 pm I'm thinking Longacre's Doubling as well. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
stufanone New Member United States 14 Posts	Posted 10/09/2025 05:57 am so that means it's just a run of the mill 1868 1c in about average condition...? I appreciate the time and effort you all have put into helping me with this. it's both fun and disappointing sometimes to learn about coins. Edited by stufanone 10/09/2025 05:59 am Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95805 Posts	Posted 10/09/2025 08:05 am yep, appears to be Longacre doubling. (thanks MisterT - I didn't remember the name of it..) Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188213 Posts	Posted 10/09/2025 11:46 am Quote: I'm sorry I didn't add full coin pics. I know better than that. So here they are. Thank you. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
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1868 1c Indian Cent DDO FS-101