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Not seeing with images provided. Your going to need a full obverse and reverse image as well as good images of the motto and the entire date. Break down the motto to individual words and split Trust into 2 parts. Always provide full obverse and reverse images as well as all areas where the variety is prominate. Just as you see on variety vista. Also check for the markers described for that variety. Reference doubledie.com and coppercoins.com.
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I'm disappointed in you guys. First of all, everything that looks like Mechanical Doubling is not necessarily Mechanical Doubling. If you compare photos of the the WE in motto on the coin that I found with Copper Coins and Variety Vista, they all look very similar and could be mistaken for Machine Doubling by the novice. Second, if you suspect Machine Doubling, then it's time to check a die marker or tow. I have included photos of the obverse die scratch marker over VDB under the bust from my coin and from the Copper Coins example. Gosh, they look the same don't they? I have also included photos of the small die scratch at the top inside of the O on the reverse from my coin and from the Copper Coins example. Gee, they also look the same don't they?       
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I will admit I was wrong, now with the new addition photos. Definitely FS-101. This particular DDO can be tough to attribute in lower grades, as it can look like Machine Doubling when it's not. Checking die markers helps too, when trying to ID this variety. I'm not always correct. I sometimes get stuff wrong from time to time. We all make mistakes. 
Errers and Varietys.
Edited by Errers and Varietys 10/19/2025 1:55 pm
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Very deceptive Machine Doubling. Doubling on the date doesn't match and there's no doubling visible on IGWT. The matching die markers are coincidental, the base of the bust is a common location for cracks and the O in ONE is a common location for die scratches (bc that area is usually not affected by die polishing or Die Deterioration).
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Good information, Tanman. I can see how it can be deceptive and confusing. Even I got fooled into thinking it was the real deal.
Errers and Varietys.
Edited by Errers and Varietys 10/19/2025 3:12 pm
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The markers look good but the doubling on the date does not look the same as on VV. So maybe you had a coin with the markers but no DDO and but instead has Machine Doubling. If you look at the doubling at the top of the 5 on your coin, it slants down to the right whereas on VV it does not and is different. The doubling on the 3 is also different than the reference. Your coin shows no doubling on IGWT but on VV it does. Considering all this information it appears to be Machine Doubling. But what do I know.
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sorry, just seeing MD here as well.
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As I first stated in the beginning, MD. Send it in and waste some money. After the thread where you posted coins you sent in to the TPG and what you had learned from others here, I thought you had turned a corner and was on the right path, guess not.
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Quote: After the thread where you posted coins you sent in to the TPG and what you had learned from others here, I thought you had turned a corner and was on the right path, guess not.  I thought so too. 
Errers and Varietys.
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Quote:[Tanman]Very deceptive Machine Doubling. Doubling on the date doesn't match and there's no doubling visible on IGWT. The matching die markers are coincidental, the base of the bust is a common location for cracks and the O in ONE is a common location for die scratches (bc that area is usually not affected by die polishing or Die Deterioration). Tanman, Do you sell used cars? You spouted off speculations and inaccurate all or none statements with such conviction that you seem to have everyone confused. However, your reasoning in some cases is tenuous. First, you groundlessly dismissed the die marker on the base of the bust as a coincidence because the base of the bust is a common location for die cracks. However, unless we're talking about "master die" markers, specific die markers for a given variety are usually pretty unique. In the case of 1935 Lincoln Cent DDO FS-101, the die crack wraps nicely around the top of VDB and then cuts down and across to the rim? How many other DDO die markers are identical? I doubt if there are any. This is specious reasoning. Second, you groundlessly dismissed the die scratch inside the O in ONE because the O in ONE is a common location for die cracks. But how many other doubled die Lincoln cents actually have a marker that is an itty bitty die scratch located at the very top of the inside of the O that are identical to the one for the 1935 Lincoln Cent DDO FS-101? I doubt there are any others that are identical. Again, your reasoning is specious. Third, you say that "doubling on the date doesn't match". However, that is a "black and white" statement when, in fact, the best we can do is consider shades of grey, because when you factor in circulation wear and differences in die state, some differences in appearance of the doubling are likely. Fourth, you say that "there's no doubling visible on IGWT." I'll admit that it's not very clear from the lousy photos. However, doubling is there. I'm going to try to get some better photos later today. Lastly, why all of the gratuitous comments regarding my last post? If I can't convince at least some people participating in this thread that the coin I found could possibly be a Lincoln Cent DDO FS-101, then the coin isn't going to PCGS for grading and attribution.
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Quote: Tanman, do you sell used cars? 
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Ok sorry to have things come to this, but I'm going to lock this thread.
@pluto, I need for you to take things down a notch. I don't believe that anyone on this thread meant to be mean. You are welcome here, but with the right attitude. Thx.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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