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1960 P 1c Modified Hub Doubling #3 +clipped Planchet

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All of the examples of Die Deterioration incuse doubling on error-ref.com show movement towards the rim.



Error-Ref SAYS differently:
" Die Deterioration Doubling may completely surround an affected design element (like a number or letter) or may be restricted to one side."
https://www.error-ref.com/die-deter...ling-incuse/

If the feature IS on multiple dies, then perhaps it does have the appearance of Strike Doubling, which is claimed by some to be diagnostic for Working Hub Doubling. I think I hear you saying it IS abraded working hub doubling.

I am navigating in the dark on this and only exploring possibilities.

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 Posted 11/29/2025  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting discussion. Here's more potpourri for the pot, and a good CoinWorld article.
https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Rotati...ine+Doubling
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Error-Ref SAYS differently:


I was being specific just for examples displayed under DDD Incuse, I do understand what the description says though. The description also mentions incuse doubling is most often seen on copper plated zinc cents.


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I think I hear you saying it IS abraded working hub doubling.


Yes, this is the description I'm leaning towards.

I've posted three different coins/dies showing this doubling and in the first post of this topic I have provided links to those examples.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Adding another photo I just put together. I think this shows the tooling around the 9 well. The top bar above the 9 looks like a tool mark. The inside lower curve of the 9 is straighter than the primary 9's curve which could mean the filing reshaped it. The two outer upper secondary loops of the 9 could be the result of multiple abrasive passes. Just guesses but I am open to other opinions.


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 03/28/2026  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My article on this anomaly is featured in the new ErrorScope issue March/April 2026.


1960-P-1c-Modified-Hub-Doubling-#3-+clipped-Planchet
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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CONGRATULATIONS
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 Posted 03/28/2026  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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CONGRATULATIONS


Thanks for your help with this Pete!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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I found one of these a few years ago. I posted the coin but can't remember what some the were. I think I will go and see if I can find the post.
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Nice on getting a write up Greg! I don't have a membership at this point with Coneca but sure it's good. Always appreciate the time you take in pointing out new things in coins and taking time to explain and seeing it through to fruition.
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Thanks the comment makecents!


Thanks E&V!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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