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Pillar of the Community
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1859 IHC Struck through a rim burr(?) I posted this on another site that limited images on the initial post. (One full obverse image and no closeup.) Follow up images provided no additional comments so I'm looking for some insight from folks here. It's a well circulated coin. I did give it an acetone soak after the initial images to see if what I'm seeing in hand would show up better. Give me any positive or negative insight. Thanks in advance.      Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Pillar of the Community
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The very first pic, the full coin straight on shot, looks to show the coin out of round. This makes me think it's just damage to the coin. Maybe take a close look above the F, maybe a pre-cud? By the way, I have not dug into the box of coins you gave me but may have to before long with the current state of things.  Thanks again for that! -makecents-
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for taking a look.
There is definitely a thin strip of metal over STATES.
Any thoughts on the first "T" being visible "through" the extra strip of metal?
Or the similar shape incuse area on the rim in the 4th image?
The rim may have been bumped at some point, but in hand, the area of the rim closest to the strip looks missing as opposed to bumped and it may be part of the strip.
(& no worries on the rolls. Enjoy them when you can get to them.)
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Pillar of the Community
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I do think it's a rim burr but not in the traditional sense. From what I see, it's a piece of the rim that was moved during its time in circulation, the area where the T can be seen is just thinner, in my opinion. At the end of the day though, it's hard to say on a 166 year old coin that has obviously seen some stuff. -makecents-
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for taking the time to elaborate and your insight. It's always appreciated. It is a tough one since it is so old and circulated. I'm also seeing a little "pocket" where metal is missing in the area around the top of the "S" near the rim and other areas. (That isn't dirt or crud.) Maybe indicative of lamination or defective planchet before the strike? In hand (and slightly visible in the last image, as a pinhole in the rim), I'm seeing small voids in the metal similar to what might happen with a lamination peel before the strike, at the termination of a ragged fissure, or possible slag inclusion. (Coarse, incomplete metal with possible voids.) The last two might be too much of a stretch. https://www.error-ref.com/alloy-err...nclusions-3/Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm not 100% sure, but I am leaning towards a Struck Through Rim Burr error.
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Bedrock of the Community
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With these 2 pictures it looks like a hit moved the metal at one time and over the years it all got smoothed down from circulation. |
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it looks like a hit moved the metal at one time and over the years it all got smoothed down from circulation That's a thought.... -makecents-
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Pillar of the Community
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With these 2 pictures it looks like a hit moved the metal at one time ... Isn't that what a rim burr is, but the displacement happens prior to the strike. There is a fissure on each side of the thin strip of metal which seems to be indicative of rim burrs. FWIW- I found a thread on another site about rim burrs that had multiple images (different denominations) where the rim burs looked very similar to this one. Hopefully Mike will stop by and give his opinion. Thanks to everyone for your comments. It gets the old noodle thinking. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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The fact that the T looks struck through the metal fragment suggests that the metal moved there pre-strike. So I also think it's struck through a rim burr.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think it's probably a struck-in rim burr. Damage to the adjacent design rim and edge is commonly seen in such errors, as this is where the metal was torn up from. That said, the poor state of the specimen precludes a definitive diagnosis.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Pillar of the Community
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I really appreciate everyone (especially Mike as he's pulled in so many directions) for taking the time to weigh in.
I knew the circulation wear and the difficulty getting clear images was going to impact an easy diagnosis.
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Thanks for your input Mike. I was on the same page as Marve above due the the rim damage, but you make a great point here.  |
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Interesting find! |
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