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I'm not 100% sure what this is? A slanted double lower bar of the L on Liberty. Width of the two raised bars is very close to the width of both the upper and lower bar of the L in Liberty. Also there is die dent at the base of the bust. All thoughts are welcomed. NYI    "We are all flawed, some MD and some PMD." NYI |
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Looks like that feature starts on left side of L. I'd say a die dent at this point unless you can get an even closer photo. Doesn't look like a struck through dropped filling since you would expect to see some evidence on the L and it doesn't resemble any of the letters to me at least.
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Very interesting find.  |
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Maybe a Die Dent?  Errers and Varietys.
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Never seen something like that, but a die dent sounds about right.
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If this is a die gouge, there should be quite a few other examples of this, unless they caught it quickly and polished the die again. The top mark also continues slightly through the "I" of LIBERTY. There is another bump at the lower back of Lincoln's head. When I lightened the exposure on the whole-obverse photo, I noticed a series of die-polished bumps all along the left rim from the "I" of IN to below Lincoln's portrait. There is die polishing in the fields of this obverse die.
The only design elements on the reverse die as close to the rim as the "LI" of LIBERTY are the letters of E PLURIBUS UNUM. Just asking here. Is there any possibility this could be an unpolished remnant of a rotating die clash, where whatever letter clashed with the "LI" moved a bit between clashes? That would have to be a wildly rotated die for a series of clashes that could do this.
What does the reverse look like?
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There are no indications on the reverse of a clash.
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Is there any possibility this could be an unpolished remnant of a rotating die clash, where whatever letter clashed with the "LI" moved a bit between clashes? So clash marks on coins can be raised? I've been trying to figure that out. I thought the clash marks on the dies would be raised leaving the minted coins with slightly incuse clash marks. Unless in the case where the dies have raised details to mint coins that have incuse lettering like the state quarters . |
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So clash marks on coins can be raised? It is possible but very rare, they are called counter clashes. When an already clashed set of dies come into contact with each other again, it transfers the first clashing back on the original die. The second clashing is typically not as strong though, leaving a much more faint secondary of the devices. https://www.maddieclashes.com/type-...ter-clashes/-makecents-
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 I'll admit, I'm really reaching for an explanation here. This coin is interesting. Because of the "coin shortage," changeover from silver to clad, and all-hands-on-deck mass mintages, the 1964-dated production was the ideal place for overused dies, poor quality control, and random weirdness. Whatever caused this was either a one-time event affecting just this coin or was caught quickly. If it was a mass-produced event (like a DDO / DDR/RPM), IMHO we would have seen several of these in the last 60-ish years. |
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A tilted and sharper image.  "We are all flawed, some MD and some PMD." NYI |
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It is possible but very rare, they are called counter clashes. Thanks for the info  -makecents- |
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Quote:Thanks for the info -makecents- Sure, anytime. -makecents-
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After seeing the new photo, I'm interested in the SW-NE diagonal scrapes from the rim to LIBERTY. Those are clearly on the die and are too deep and directional to be die polishing marks. What are they?
This coin gets more interesting by the minute.
@NY Islander, your photos are fantastic!
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I would think it is a struck through debris perhaps metal scraps.
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Posted 11/05/2025 1:20 pm
