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Now that CACG has been in operation for a little over two years I am curious if any members have attempted crossovers or submitted raw coins for grading and your thoughts and results.
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They're almost unreasonably strict on details coins. I had some gold that got an acetone bath and then verdicare (and like 1 got a quick dip) they all got dinged for cleaning. Nothing I did was actually problematic and would've straight graded just fine elsewhere. Whatever though.
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Get too strict with their designations, and they loose business.
Get too easy with their designations, and they loose business.

In any case, I much prefer to grade for myself - but lots of experience is necessary.
I have learned my lessons the hard way, but it has been worth it.
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Sel-691 I don't argue your point but if your intention is to sell the coin at some point. Graded coins almost always sell for more money than ungraded coins. Even if they are the same grade.
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Graded coins almost always sell for more money than ungraded coins. Even if they are the same grade.
This is true. A plurality of buyers desire the perceived security and help drive the price up.
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got an acetone bath and then verdicare

Little story here...I brought a cleaned (deemed by a TPG) coin ( classic 50¢ commementive) into my LCS with the label taped over and asked the owner what grade he'd give it...he gave his opinion @MS64/5...we discussed the die polish lines..ect..... and then I revealed the "UNC Details" label...our discussion went on and he (the dealer) said..." the grading companies have a "sniffer" machine that can detect acetone along with other coin products"
Don't know how true that statement is...has anyone else heard anything like this?
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the grading companies have a "sniffer" machine that can detect acetone along with other coin products"
Don't know how true that statement is...has anyone else heard anything like this?


PCGS Coin Sniffer™ Uses Advanced Technology to Detect 'Doctored' Coins
September 2, 2010

PCGS President Don Willis explained the upcoming use of the PCGS Coin Sniffer to the audience at the PCGS Set Registry luncheon in Boston on August 13, 2010.
(Boston, Massachusetts) - The PCGS Coin Sniffer™, a process incorporating advanced technology for detecting foreign materials and other enhancements on a coin's surface, will be used in two roll-out phases on all PCGS Secure Plus™ submissions with the first step beginning in September or October 2010.

"When our testing and development are completed, the PCGS Coin Sniffer will analyze the surfaces of coins to detect foreign substances, whether they are organic or inorganic materials. We will begin first with organic substances," said Don Willis, President of PCGS, a division of Collectors Universe, Inc. (NASDAQ).

"We are currently testing the detection of organic materials on coin surfaces and will begin incorporating that process on all PCGS Secure Plus submissions this fall. We are still in the development stage of detecting inorganic foreign materials, such as metals. Implementation of the PCGS Coin Sniffer for inorganic materials is planned for early 2011," he told attendees at the PCGS Set RegistrySM awards luncheon at the American Numismatic Association World's Fair of Money in Boston on August 13, 2010.

The PCGS Coin Sniffer uses dispersive X-ray spectrometry (EDX), Fournier Transform Infra-Red Spectral analysis (FT-IR), Raman Spectroscopy and other analytical techniques to detect the kinds of materials applied by so-called "coin doctors" to conceal problems with a coin or alter its surface to improve its appearance in an attempt to artificially increase the coin's value.

Commonly used organic materials applied to coins include plastic resins such as Bondo, putty, caulk, wax, lacquer, varnish, acrylics, paint, ink, acetone, glue, and citric acid.

"Some coin doctors have even used soap, eggs, fertilizer, forehead and nose grease and urine," Wills explained.

FT-IR spectroscopy in the PCGS Coin Sniffer process uses a beam of infra-red light that is reflected off a coin's surface to detect molecules of foreign substances. Different molecules vibrate at different wave lengths. A complete analysis of a coin's surface with simultaneous detection of all wave lengths can be completed in less than one minute.

Coins detected with foreign substances are classified by PCGS as "altered surfaces."

Willis explained that some coin doctors use metals to build up certain areas on a coin's surface, for example, attempting to create a full head on a Standing Liberty quarter, full split bands on a Winged Liberty/Mercury dime or improving diagnostic high areas. Metallic solutions such as solder, indium, Clorox®, iodine and potassium or potash have been applied to alter a coin's surface.

Beginning next year, the PCGS Coin Sniffer will use EDX technology to analyze elements of coins on the atomic level. The FT-IR technology that will be implemented this fall analyzes coins on the molecular level. In the EDX process, a high-energy beam of electrons is focused on a coin's surface. Resultant dispersed energy is measured and the atomic structure is determined.

"It's similar to scanning with an electron microscope," said Willis. "Foreign metals as well as metal fatigue due to high heat from a blow torch or laser can be detected."

Willis also reminded the audience that expanded "plus" (+) grading is now available for all standard submissions and show submissions to PCGS at no additional cost.

Since 1986, PCGS experts have authenticated, graded and certified more than 20 million coins from around the world with a declared value of over $20 billion. For additional information, visit https://www.PCGS.com or call PCGS Customer Service at (800) 447-8848.
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I frankly would be shocked if they started by policy detailing coins for things that are not only market acceptable but standard practice. Acetone, distilled water, verdi-care, (proper) dipping, etc are all non-intrusive, non-destructive, and non-surface altering. CAC can have that standard from the get-go if they want, but if PCGS or NGC were to change that'd be another.
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I've submitted numerous coins to PCGS that have had an acetone bath. Never an issue.

Acetone>Distilled Water>Carefully pat dry / air dry
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" the grading companies have a "sniffer" machine that can detect acetone along with other coin products"


Unless you have a high end coin I doubt they will even bother to break out their "sniffer machine" when they barely spend 10 seconds looking at your average submission unless they are running an assembly line style grading service and they put your coin on a conveyor belt and run them under their "sniffer" and then a grader picks up every 3rd coin or however many "graders" they have working the line that aren't in a special cubicle with a monster box of ASE's on their desk for the home shopping networks.
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It is also known that when you have them conserve your coin they use warm acetone to do so how does that work. Conserve my coin but give it a details grade.
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Checking for nose grease... I think I'm safe there--nose grease isn't my 'go to' doctoring substance...
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Those new standards might work for uncirculated coins, but one would think that circulated coins could have all manner of foreign material on them naturally that could be detected by this new standard. Both organic and non-organic. So virtually all circulated coins could get an altered surface description?
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