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Wiener Philharmoniker 1.50 Euro

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Hello All
I just recently purchased this coin and I think I got it for about 17.00 so not a bad deal
I don't remember where I got it from so this probably don't matter much anymore. but the coin says one ounce fine silver. it is in German but still means the same no mater how you translate it. anyway I put the coin on the scale and it comes out at 1.10 OZ is the .10 OZ enough to worry about or is the European ounce a bit higher than our own?
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Didn't you just buy this from me? I'm sad that you already forgot :( And really? It's 1.10 oz?

**Oh right, that's because it's a troy oz, which is heavier than a normal ounce. Set it to grams and it should come to 31.1 gr
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huh that's it Dave lol
and your very close it is 31.4 Grams. I think I got it from you either just before or just after my surgery and I have been in another world sense. lol the wife thinks I need checked out to see why I fall asleep every time I sit down. I say I need to get some sleep at night and all will be fine lol. she just spent 9 months in the hospital where I gave my all to make sure that everything that happened to her was either needed or at least necessary. and she is trying the same for me but is going too far I think. lol
anyway thanks Dave
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 Posted 07/30/2009  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We don't use ounces in Europe (don't know about UK/IE but elsewhere, nah). For precious metals and such bullion pieces, however, the troy ounce is common here too. Now 31.4 g is a little strange - the total weight should be 31.103 g ...

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I know nothing about the European system except back in the 70's and 80's Germany was nice lol
I think that Dave had a few of these and don't see a reason for him to go on the other side of the line. it could be my scale I have two though so will put it on the other one today and see what happens
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Also if you need to re-test your scale, a shiny new nickel is exactly 5 grams.
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I just put it on my freshly calibrated Triton 2 and it is now 31.3g so it must be gook
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From the same source and batch,

Wiener-Philharmoniker-1.50-Euro

31.3g sorry for the wicked reflection
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According to Krause it should be 31.103g. What is the diameter? It should be 37mm.
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 Posted 07/30/2009  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
huh... what could this mean? Could it be actually struck in a less finess, but in all it's still 1oz of .999 like the Krugerrand?

Well, at least the good thing is that they weren't underweight
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I have 37.25 MM
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Strange. With euro circulation coins the Weight Tolerance for blanks is 3% for a single piece AFAIK, and an average 1% per 100 pieces. But that would not apply to such bullion pieces, I suppose. This is the size and weight that the Silver Phil should have: http://www.austrian-mint.com/silberphil_daten?l=en

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I just pulled it out put it on the scale and Digital caliper. and now it is a bit different than yesterday lol
here are the numbers I get today after a good nights sleep and wide awake lol
anyway the thickness is 3.17 wight is 31.3 and width is 37.03. I calibrated both tools I used to get these numbers. I looked at it under the microscope at 30X and it looks like it has a copper wash over it. I didn't mess with the obv or rev but did wipe the edge with a cotton gloved hand and it wipes off without any force at all. kind of like a copper colored oil. I want to drill a small spot on the edge but am not going to do that. I trust wd1040 so I am not going to worry about it.
thanks all
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I promise I didn't do anything! I bought 32, which came in 2 rolls. If these two are overweight, then I guess at least the other 12 also have this problem. I've already sold those, so it'll be pretty hard to track them back. However, I could contact the dealer I bought it from, or order a few more.

Well in any respects, could it be fake?
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I don't have a clue if they could be fake or not. try asking the guy you got the from if there is a tolerance or not. if there is no tolerance then I would say fake but this is the only one I have seen and knowing you I think I can trust you so if it is fake I know you didn't sale them knowing it.
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huh... I will contact Bullion Direct right now. I'll post the response as soon as I get it.

On the bright side, would these be errors?

k, here's the reply


Quote:
Dear (Me),

Thank you for contacting the Bullion Direct Support Team.


We don't weigh each individual coin. They come to us in unopened, mint sealed crates.

Sincerely,

Bullion Direct Support


So... I don't know what to do now... With the way silver has been rocketing up these 3 days (45c just today!) I'll be happy to make a refund
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08/03/2009 12:57 pm
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