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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
I was at the store earlier today and glanced down into the clerks drawer and saw the following penny so I asked for the "one with the bit missing". Do you guys think that this a genuine clip, or is it PMD?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Can you provide a shot of the edge?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3294 Posts |
This is about as focused I could get  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Note the damage to the rim on obverse above trust, and under ENT & over MER on the reverse. This suggests this coin was held in place and clipped with some kind of machine with great pressure. Just guessing here though.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I thought genuine clips had a weak rim on the opposite side of the clip usually.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3507 Posts |
This has to be done post-mint.
If it were an incomplete planchet before it left the mint, the edge would be plated with copper since the plating is applied after the blanks are cut.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On a real clip the rim would be weaker 180 degrees from straight clip. The rim is to full to be real just a normal cent cut. The areas where the clip starts the devices would fade in design from the striking. Instead it is sharp in that area with the rim full. Found in change. Usually fakes are spent as they were post mint creations. Be hard for the person opening the bank roll not to notice this and keep it if it were real. (which it's not)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
Well, on your last point, you are assuming people not into coins would notice or care, but yeah, It looks like this was some bored kid in shop class or something.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
It is still an educational piece to show to newer collectors. What to look for on a real incomplete planchet. Do you mind if I use your images for educational purposes?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
Yes, you may use the images as an educational tool. I am a little curious as to why the rim appears so weak at 1-2 oclock on the obverse but just a little bit weak on the reverse.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Reminds me of something done in shop class with one of these:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That was explained above, but i'll attempt to explain. When "they" cut the edge off, it had to be held solid, and steady, to prevent it "ricccocheting, when the blade came down. In other words, it was clamped with sinething very strong, which left the markings of the "bite". Another clue was also mentioned above, to determine whether it is, or was PMD. Note the opposite edges. they will be weaker, because of the missing area, when run thru thr up-set mill to raise the edges, prior to being struck. This is NOT evident on this coin. Bottom line: PMD. Dick |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here they are nod2003.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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looks like it was done post mint,, Damage to the edge gives it away...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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has anyone else come across other fakes of this kind before?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
I remember someone on ebay coin chat that was selling cut State Quarters on ebay and he responded that he bought them locally. The question asked was: "What are the chances of finding that many searching through coins, unless they were fake?" He got the point and quit selling them or buying from his source. He claims that he didn't know they were made. Hung around for a time so I believed his story. |
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Posted 09/05/2009 1:36 pm
