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 Posted 09/21/2009  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elefinoras to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear swamperbob
Everything you said is correct and I agree with you in some point BUT unfortunately most of them are exactly the opposite of what was stated from the beginning of this thread.
You are talking about ownership rights and that no one has the right to take away your coins. You are also saying that no one knows why the hoard was found in Greece and so Greece cannot claim it for herself. You said for example: What GREEK History does it protect? What if the coins were buried after a theft in 1960 or even WWII.

Ok then. Can you please tell me what the American Numismatic Society protects by holding this huge collection of ancient Greek coins?

What if some day the Greeks come up with an idea? You will give us buck everything Greek which is on your possession and we will do the same with everything American. How would you like that?
Can you honestly say that you will respect our ownership rights to any artefacts if we do the same for you? I think not.

The truth is that USA has no artefacts of her own and this is because has no history. It's not a nation, is just a huge colony on the other side of the Atlantic consist of many different people from many different countries. This is totally fine with me and I say that it was your right to build a country out of nowhere. But please don't try to convince me that you have these artefacts because you are the legally owners. Just say that you want them because you want to believe that you have some parts of history for yourself, something to be proud of.

It's exactly the same for other countries as well, like Britain or Turkey. They are holding Greek ancient treasures just for tourist purposes trying to make money of it. Like the artefacts of Parthenon in the British museum.
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 Posted 09/21/2009  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The truth is that USA has no artifacts of her own and this is because has no history. It's not a nation, is just a huge colony on the other side of the Atlantic consist of many different people from many different countries. This is totally fine with me and I say that it was your right to build a country out of nowhere. But please don't try to convince me that you have these artifacts because you are the legally owners. Just say that you want them because you want to believe that you have some parts of history for yourself, something to be proud of.


Ok, let's stop right here. We WILL stay on track with trying to find you more info about these coins. We WILL NOT start throwing comments around like this. Besides the fact of me taking offense to this comment as a whole, no good can come from the replies you would receive. it's over, right now.


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I am not only talking about coins, I am talking about any ancient artifact and only for the Greek ones.


Problem is, we should be talking about coins here period. You asked a question, and you received some answers. It seems the true motive for this thread was to make people aware of Greek law and how things like "ancient artifacts" were handled in Greece. I say mission accomplished.


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It's very simple, even a retard would be able to realise that. Are you really trying to say that you have the right to do what ever you want in Greece, but without the Greeks to say anything to you? This sounds like fascist, don't you think?


That statement is just argumentative. There is no need for it. I am not defending any single individual here, but this three page thread has nothing to do with the original question.


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Greek artifacts belongs to the Greeks, Indian to the Indians, Asian to Asians etc, and this is the way which is should be.


According to Greek law posted above (which I know nothing about), this seems to be true for Greece as of 1950. Every country has their own rules and every person has their own beliefs. You feel strongly about your beliefs, and that is perfectly fine. The problem arises when you insinuate that other people are absolutely wrong or "bad" people if their beliefs are not the same as yours. That is not acceptable.

Regardless, this thread has run its course. If there is any information pertaining to the original question, feel free to post it. This was a pretty good "opinion" thread for a while, but it is not going in the correct direction at this time. I will not lock it up unless it continues to spiral.

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 Posted 09/21/2009  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alex Malloy is apparently a staff member over at forumancientcoins. Perhaps you could ask him.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/nu...0g.%20malloy
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 Posted 09/21/2009  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And here is their write up on the hoard. It's nearly word-for-word what you first posted.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca...s=0&open=872
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 Posted 09/21/2009  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without stirring the pot the only thing I can say is that there certainly are some interesting viewpoints in the world.
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 Posted 09/25/2009  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elefinoras to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had no problem to stick to the original subject. I just had to answer to replies I received which they had nothing to do with it, also.
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