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Spot The Fake 1909-S IHC

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 Posted 09/19/2009  1:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Three of the coins below are genuine 1909-S, and one has an added mintmark. Can you decide which--obvious or not?

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 Posted 09/19/2009  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Going to take a stab at it and say...no2
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 Posted 09/19/2009  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd have to say #2 also.
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I was thinking no. 2 also. The seriffs don't look right and the body looks too wide.
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 Posted 09/19/2009  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like we have a consensus!
#2 is the fake.
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09/19/2009 2:27 pm
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 Posted 09/19/2009  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownas22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, I would agree with #2, for me it just looks too perfect if that makes sense
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 Posted 09/19/2009  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to say #1, the mint mark surface looks different then the coin surface.
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#2 was attributed by Rick Snow as an S-2 with an added mintmark.
The other 3 are certified coins from Heritage auctions.
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#2's MM doesn't look like the other three so that's an obvious giveaway.
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How does one add a mintmark to a coin.
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Good Question SHAFTA9a. That might be a good subject for a new topic. However, I'm sure that has been covered before. We just missed it.
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#2 is fake! Not only is the MM different from the other 3, if you look at the area around the MM on #2, you can see an almost square area that looks different from the rest of the coin. Like surface was either prepared for the application of the MM or cleaning up afterwards.
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i know nothing at all about this series so I really have no clue I was going to say number 4 but after I cheated and read ratman4762 post I will say number 2 as well
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Course, there's also that attribution by Mr. Snow
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When I said #1, I was looking at this photo:


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I did this for a little humor, this is not the photo you should be judging.
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if you look at the area around the MM on #2, you can see an almost square area that looks different from the rest of the coin. Like surface was either prepared for the application of the MM or cleaning up afterwards.


There's also the possibility it was 'chased', where they take a small amount of metal from the surrounding area and create the shape they need from that. I've heard that's one way they do it, but I've never seen an actual coin where that has been done.
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