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Pillar of the Community
United States
1151 Posts |
I was involved in an auction here recently where a bid was placed at the exact closing time of that auction, which was within the rules, as one does not exist about last minute bids or "sniping".
I belong to another site that does auctions where updates are done manually as opposed to a forum type set up like we have here and they have this rule:
"Bidding on a lot within the last 2 hours of the auction, without having placed a previous bid on that lot, is treated as sniping and is not permitted. In order to place a bid on a lot within the last 2 hours of the auction, that lot must show at least one previous bid from you that was recorded more than 2 hours prior to the auction's close. If you bid on a lot within the final 2 hours of the auction, and that lot doesn't already show at least one previous bid from you that was recorded more than 2 hours prior to the auction's close, your bid will not be recorded."
I am not suggessting we use this or any rule in regards to last minute bids, just wondering what people thought.
Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1840 Posts |
I don't have any problem with the rules the way they are. Mostly because I don't sell coins on the forum and I only make bids that I am comfortable with (both if I win and if I lose).
Having said that, it seems to me that this would really be up to the individual seller to decide. If they are looking to quell sniping, couldn't they just add a stipulation that last minute bidding extends the closing time for an hour?
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Moderator
 United States
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This is my opinion as a member and not as a moderator, but I agree with snowman. I like the idea of having extended bidding and feel it is best left to the seller's discretion. This would be more like a real live auction; it ends when there are no more bids. "Going once, going twice... sold!"  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
2668 Posts |
I always thought the non-extension of an auction with last minute bidding was a major flaw at ebay. But, if the rules, as they stand, are obeyed by all bidders; I don't see a problem. The ones complaining aren't complaining as much about losing as they are about losing a good buy. I would think this would be more of a sellers issue. I don't sell on ebay anymore. |
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Moderator
United States
56855 Posts |
I like snowmans idea  . John1  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts |
I think it is a good point for the auctioneer and bidders to think about. The auctioneer could probably put some terms in the listing if they wanted to. Bidders should be aware that this could happen, even unintentionally. If I see something just by luck after logging on that I want and had not noticed it before, I feel I should be allowed to bid as long as the hammer hasn't fallen yet. I do like the idea that late bids could extend the auction, but I think most of all, if you really want something, you should bid the best amount you think you want to pay. On ebay I snipe almost all the time. I win some, I lose some, but I don't pay more than I want to. The opening bid amount to start is important too. A seller should only open at what the least amount they need for the item could be or take the loss gracefully. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2669 Posts |
Quote:On ebay I snipe almost all the time. I win some, I lose some, but I don't pay more than I want to. Sniping here intentionally would be a bit different, though.. ebay auto-bids up to your max, so the highest you'd pay is one increment over the last highest bid, and nobody knows what your (maybe outrageous) highest bid was. Here, if you win, what you bid is what you pay  The common thread here is friendliness and courtesy - so why leave those at the auction forum door? I think it might be fun to have a no-holds-barred, snipe-if-you-dare auction, where it's outlined in the auction, everyone knows it's allowed and maybe even expected, but in the general course of things it's something I try to avoid out of respect for fellow forum-members. |
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Forum Dad
United States
24171 Posts |
Quote:I always thought the non-extension of an auction with last minute bidding was a major flaw at ebay. Well, Yahoo auctions made that the seller's option when a seller listed an auction. 98% didn't use it, because buyers hated it. So they stopped the option all together. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2669 Posts |
I just re-read my post.. sorry, didn't mean to sound like I hopped up on my Moral High Horse(tm) and rode around town. I just try not to snipe here (although I've done it by accident  )... I would rather just 'watch' than win by sniping and hurt someone's feelings who might have needed the coin more than I did, that's all. Although, this does give me a most excellent idea for an auction... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
632 Posts |
Snowman has it. Bids within the last...whatever, triggers a one hour extention...nice. Good for the bidders, good for the seller more money for e-bay and paypal.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
DLRC used to do their auctions that way (if you can call it an auction) and they still may (havent been on their site in some time)
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1151 Posts |
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The common thread here is friendliness and courtesy - so why leave those at the auction forum door?
..., but in the general course of things it's something I try to avoid out of respect for fellow forum-members . This was kinda my point and thought. ebay bidding is one thing, there you probably never have the chance to know, meet or relate to any other bidder on the site. In this forum here we are a community, we post pictures of ourselves, wish people Happy Birthday and Get Well and help each other with information. I am not complaining just because I lost this auction, I've lost others and had no problem with that. I guess my problem is that I lost it right at the buzzer, without a chance to try again. It's easy to say just bid your max, but you always want to win without spending the most money. I could have won the auction with a bid of $35 or $50, I would have rather just won at $35. Also being a Supporter Auction, the winner won twice, first the coin then knowing that they are helping support this great forum. |
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Valued Member
United States
106 Posts |
Another vote for snowman (extending auctions for an hour after the last bid). And when will I ever have enough posts to buy something?
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Moderator
United States
189222 Posts |
Ultimately I am here to help enforce the rules; I do not write them. That said, the following is still my opinion and not an official position. It seems that everyone would be happy with the "extension" option on auctions. I still believe it is best left up to the seller and I will make two suggestions: 1. If you host an auction, feel free to clearly state that you will extend the auction if a bid is placed within a certain window before the end time; be it 15 minutes or an hour. 2. If you participate in an auction, feel free to ask the seller if they could offer the extension option. I suggest this because it is very likely that many sellers have not even seen this thread. Link to this topic so that it does not turn their auction thread into a Q&A session. (It might be better to send a PM to the seller). Again, I really like the idea of leaving it up to the seller. I am very proud of CCF and its membership; the forum almost runs itself and everyone behaves so well. It is topics like this that show that most of us are willing to talk it over and not resort to the typical flame-fest that exists elsewhere.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2049 Posts |
I seem to have a different opinion than most here. As a seller on ebay, I prefer the fixed end time because it helps me plan when the next round of auctions will go up for similar but maybe a little different items (for example I sell used football helmets, and have many different sizes, colors, and brands - some people care about the color/size/brand, others dont). I like knowing that my auctions will end day x, and that I can start the next round the day after day x. From a buyers standpoint, it's nice to know by a fixed timeframe whether you won or lost. I put my max bid in and leave it at that. If I win, great, if not I look for the next auctions. :) |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts |
Just a follow up
I was bidding on a Morgan here on the auction forum and lost by a snipe in the last minute of the auction.
I have no problem with that as I bid as high as I thought I should well before the listing ended.
If I were the seller, I'd be glad for the snipe. The buyer showed some class too and didn't just bid a little more but a good size bid above the minimum increment. There were no last hour rules, so it ended fair and square in my opinion.
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Posted 09/22/2009 3:51 pm
