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 Posted 10/13/2009  11:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was wondering what is a fair trade rate to go from 40% halves to 90% halves, assuming that all coins involved can be considered common circulated?
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 Posted 10/13/2009  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all both parties need to agree to trade.

I think 40% half has 0.1479 oz of silver while a 90% half has 0.3617 oz of silver.

So if that is right, then:

5 40% is .7395 oz and 2 90% is .7234 oz - a difference of .0161 oz

10 40% is 1.479 oz and 4 90% is 1.4468 oz - a difference of .0322 oz

22 40% is 3.2538 oz and 9 90% is 3.2553 oz - a difference of -.0015 oz

So is my math right? Of course, of the coins are worn, then slight adjustments might be needed.

Ken
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 Posted 10/13/2009  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brannenworks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The ratio of 0.1479 to 0.3617 is 0.40890240530826651921481891069947 to 1. So if you're trading them at silver content, you will be more and more accurate with the following sequence of ratios:

40%: 2 5 22 225 247 ... 3617
90%: 1 2 09 092 101 ... 1479

The mathematics of this is "continued fraction expansion", which for the rational number 1479 / 3617 is:
0; 2, 2, 4, 10, 1, 2, 1, 3.

Otherwise, I'd put some small premium on the 90% because they're probably easier to purify. On the other hand, the 40% also have valuable copper and nickel I guess.
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I think this is hard to figure out due to the way the 40% are made and we are dealing with circulated coins. 90% is the same composition throughout, where the 40% are clad with more of the silver on the outside of the coin than inside! Therefore an average circulated coin would actually be less than 40% silver!

outer is 80% silver 20% copper
core is 21 % silver 79% copper

Even though the uncirculated coin is 40% silver & 60% copper,
A bigger ratio of silver then copper is exposed to wear
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 Posted 10/13/2009  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this might be a close trade although the face value is more of a factor when silver is much lower in value.
If silver is very low, I would want to hang onto a few more 40% half dollars because 50 cents is still 50 cents should silver become close to face value, but when it is high as it is now, I think it makes little difference.

I think one roll of 90 % bullion silver is equal to 2 rolls of 40% silver and 5 additional 40% silver halves.

40% or 40 x 45 = 1800 or $22.50 face
90% or 90 x 20 = 1800 or $10.00 face

( I would think the same would hold true in face value for common date circulated Washington silver quarters and common circulated Roosevelt dimes for that matter.
2 rolls of dimes or one roll of quarters is worth about 45 40% half dollars as well. )


Hows that sound?
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10/13/2009 6:47 pm
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 Posted 10/14/2009  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wif99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Using a silver melt value Calculator. it takes 4.09 Halves At 90%
to Equal 10 Halves At 40% Any one interested in the link to Calculator can email me. Have tried in the past to post link but not allowed.

Billy
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There are two reasons to prefer 90% to 40% halves.

One is that, with 40%, you need more than twice as much storage space to keep the same amount of silver.

The other is that if you choose to ship a bulk lot somewhere for refining, you pay much more in shipping charges.

Those scenarios might or might not apply to your situation. Even so, there aren't many reasons to prefer 40%. I don't think a swap based only on silver value is fair for the one giving up 90% and receiving 40%. I would discount the value of the 40%ers a little bit to get a little more actual silver value.

Just my opinion,
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