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How Do You Know If It's Been Dipped?

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This has probably been asked and answered before. If so, feel free to slap me and point me towards some older thread that I have overlooked! Okay, here goes: If there is a Morgan or a Peace dollar out there in the world that is legitimately in MS-63 and it has some natural toning, but then somebody decides they don't like that toning and they dip it, how can I as a potential buyer of this dipped coin recognize that it has been dipped?
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If it had only one or two quick dips and thorough rinses, no one could tell. Repeated dips and insufficient rinses/handling are what dulls the luster and provides evidence of dipping.

Peace dollars don't easily tone (wild toners are the work of coin docs). Morgans, on the other hand will tone easily if stored in an environment that is conducive to toning (craft envelopes, certain coin folders/albums, paper coin rolls, etc.). If the coin still exhibits brilliant luster, who cares if a previous owner properly removed unattractive toning. Just make sure there's no remaining residue on the surface of the coin.
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I agree, the problem isn't dipping its the over dipping that creates a problem. Over dipping a coin makes it look flat and removes all luster from the coin and it just looks dead. I have seen some coins that have been dipped that look better (to me anyway) afterward but I have also seen some that looked like a bad chemistry project and looked horrible because they left the coin in the solution way to long or they didn't get all the residue off the coin and it made it splotchy through time. I have seen some people say dip it for 10-15 seconds, in my opinion that is about 7-12 seconds to long. You can always dip it again for 2 seconds if you didn't get the results you wanted but you can't go back if you leave it in there to long. remember you don't know if it has been dipped before and each time it removes metal on the coin and if it has been dipped before you risk the chance of making it look dead because their time plus yours can remove all remaining luster the coin may have under the ugly toning
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Why don't Peace dollars tone as easy as Morgans? Aren't they both made of the same metal content?
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Why don't Peace dollars tone as easy as Morgans? Aren't they both made of the same metal content?

its because Peace dollar planchets got a more concentrated acid bath at the mint than Morgans Dollars did
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As to the original topic you should really explain if your saying dipping or cleaning. Could be a world of difference. Many dip coins in solutions like Acetone and only briefly to attempt to get rid of some minor contaminates. Such dips usually don't take off toning, corrosions, tarnishing, etc. They do however, usually, not always, remove tape glues, glue, melted plastics, etc. Such minor, short timed dippings are really almost improbable to notice.
The numerous variations in what may be termed cleaning is very much something elses. So called dipping in solutions such as Jewlery cleaners, acids, different juices such as Lemon Juice constatute cleaning and if done can almost always be noticed. But then too, if done properly, some of those also are difficult to tell.
If many say a coin has been cleaned, it usually has been, but not necessarily. If many say a coin has not been cleaned, it only means they could not tell for sure, so it could have been cleaned or dipped but since it does not show, then ..............
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