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1878 S Looking For Confirmation

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 Posted 01/11/2010  11:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think there are only maybe nine varieties possible on this type of reverse, and hope that someone might have the time and interest to make a call on this. I have my own idea, but I don't want to influence or confuse the methods of a true vammer.

By the way, in the eye close up (which obviously didn't come out very well) there are two eye spikes, and that 'horizontal' line across the eye, is a scratch on the holder.









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 Posted 01/12/2010  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking VAM-60, but only because of mint mark placement. Think I also see the spike above the arrow fletches which would help nail it.

Nice Long Nock!
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 Posted 01/12/2010  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really hope that you are right about that Dave. I have been thinking 62, but these eye spikes and mint mark locations can get pretty confusing for me. I will dig into the possibility of 60 a bit more.

Thanks very much again
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 Posted 01/12/2010  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its a 62 as well because it seems to have the raised metal between the arrow feathers and the eagles left claw. And I don't think the S is high and left like a 60 would be, I think it is just set left of center
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 Posted 01/12/2010  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might have something with 62; they have very similar mint mark positions. The exact nature of the metal over the arrow - spike or blob - and the eye spike locations, will have to be the determining factors.

That's on you, zeewool.
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 Posted 01/12/2010  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hey Lord knows it wont be the first time I am wrong, heck it won't even be the first time tonight, or this morning where ever you are I guess
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 Posted 01/12/2010  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, Dave (alphabetical order). I was looking at the coin just to convince myself that you guys are certainly correct, and I grabbed a few more long nocks to compare it to.

I found this one that has pretty much seen a full life, although the mm also appears to be 'similar' to the coin above.

The 'S' (to me) looks a bit higher and not quite as far right however.

Am I seeing things, or do they appear to be the same to you?









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I still think this is another 62. I will scan pictures of both the 60 and 62 from the 78-S VAM book to show you why I think this
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what I look at because the MM is so similar, is the distance between the top of the D in DOLLAR and the bottom of the S

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 Posted 01/13/2010  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much Bryan. I guess that you are right (unfortunately). I used to have John R's book, but it is gone missing recently.
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the book these pictures came from is the 1878-S Morgan dollar Attribution Guide by Leroy Van Allen & Craig Lickenbrock . I don't really like the way the book is put together as much as I like the 3rd edition of the 8Tf attribution Guide or the 7/8Tf attribution guide by Jeff Oxman and Les Hartnett
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 Posted 01/13/2010  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At one time, many months ago, I thought that I was going to learn everything that there is to know about vams. Heh, heh, heh! It really didn't take too awfully long to come to my senses and give up on vams. I did read John's Long Nock and Jeff's 8TF books, but have since lost them somewhere, and now must work from memory.
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I don't think Leroy van Allen himself knows each and every VAM by memory, that is why most people search either for a particular date or coins that fall into a specific category like Top 100 or Hot 50. There is just way to many to know each and every one without having to to back and look through material for which markings match up with which VAM. I thought I was going to specialize in all VAM's at first also then decided I would just try and do the 1878 Morgans, well after reading the 200+ VAM's for the 1878 I decided to just do the 1878-P Morgans and still a whole lot of those so I decided to 1878-P 7TF and there was still well over 100 so then my main focus trinkled down to 1878-P 7TF with B1 Reverse and at one time I actually had the #1 registry set on Collectors-Society (NGC's registry) until I sold off a few of those VAM's when I started my 7070 album, but it is still #2 with missing coins (not allot of competition which is why they were easy to find unattributed)
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