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 Posted 01/20/2010  01:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I inherited this Cud in a Whitman folder and I was wondering two things: is it normal for the the opposing face of the coin to be "weakened" when there's a Cud on the other side (flow of metal?) And is there any value to a Cud like this where the date has been obliterated? TIA!

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 Posted 01/20/2010  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no pro but I would say yes to both of your questions. As to value $20+. Nice coin
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The relief of a coin is formed by the striking of two opposing dies. When a Cud is formed, a significant portion of one of the dies breaks away so you lose that full opposing striking force in that particular area which is what creates the weakness opposite the Cud. That is a very large Cud, color me jealous
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 Posted 01/20/2010  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is from 1972. Mint unknown, but someone who collects and keeps up with the different Cuds would be able to tell you.
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 Posted 01/20/2010  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jasper62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How can you tell it's a 1972 From these pictures?
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 Posted 01/21/2010  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the larger the die break is, the weaker the reverse will be. On small Cuds the weakened reverse might not be noticable, but on larger Cuds such as this it is always visible.
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 Posted 01/21/2010  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with jasper how did you know it is a 72?
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 Posted 01/21/2010  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jasper62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any takers on this Question?How can one tell the date of this coin.I'm sure there's a way or a specific date would not have been specified
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 Posted 01/23/2010  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm fascinated to know as well! Best I could guess was 70's ...
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 Posted 01/24/2010  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,



It is a very Nice Cud! Yes the weakness on the reverse is correct as the metal flow is effected during the striking of the coin by the lack of resistance of the portion of the obverse die that broke away.

It is a 1972 dated piece as the Lettering and the bust on the obverse as well as the die used for the reverse is typical of all coins dated 1972.

There may be some evidence of the effects of a type of doubling related to a doubled master die visible on this coin as well that makes the date of 1972 a dead giveaway. Even absent that doubling, the lettering on the obverse still gives it away.

Thanks,
Bill

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 Posted 01/25/2010  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm impressed - thanks for the insight!
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Wow...I have one almost like this one of yours, but it is just a hair smaller...and I think I can make out the east to west line of the top of the 7 of '197?'...so this topic answers my own questions about it. Thanks for the post!
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