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A $270 Gamble - Real Or Fake?

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 Posted 02/01/2010  2:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought this last week from I guy I consider stand up. He told me BEFORE the sale that he was selling it low because he was not sure if it was real or fake. I plan on taking it to ICCS but would like your thoughts. No one wants to be out $270 but it won't kill me but if it turns out to be real.....

A-$270-Gamble---Real-Or-Fake?
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A-$270-Gamble---Real-Or-Fake?
A-$270-Gamble---Real-Or-Fake?
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 Posted 02/01/2010  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FAKE made by The Big Tree Coin Factory........CHINA
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 Posted 02/01/2010  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scott3270 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i don't know nothing about this series of coins but in my guide it says there are 75-100 known pieces and it is worth a lot of money I think the odds are exceptionally high that this is a fake and the guy you bought the coin from is not a stand up guy
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 Posted 02/01/2010  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If he's a stand-up guy, try your luck at getting back your $270.
That one's got wonky written all over it, and worth a few bucks at most (imo).

Here's a detail from the date area on a certified example, taken from a Heritage auction. The digits look a bit different to me.

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 Posted 02/01/2010  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 9 is not even the same, get your money back..
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 Posted 02/01/2010  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you weighed it?

I'm thinking a stand-up comic is more likely.
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 Posted 02/01/2010  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another Heritage MS-64 that sold for $74,000 certified by PGS. The date is different looking than your Heritage above too. Note the top part of the '1' on both Heritages. Adds to the confusion for me....

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 Posted 02/01/2010  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Waste more of your money...send it to ICCS..........
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 Posted 02/01/2010  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is counterfeit....no doubt.....both 1's show the improper bases as per a known copy of the fakes.......
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 Posted 02/01/2010  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@laconic, I compared a few others and saw those differences in the digits too.
Honestly, I'm not sure if this is due to die state, or different reverse dies.
But those are certified coins after all--and your coin raises numerous other flags to my eyes.
Perhaps others here can better express what is simply my innate sense on this one...
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 Posted 02/01/2010  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coinsrfun I would love to see a picture of the known fake if you have it.
@DVCollector, thanks for the critiques with explanations
@chequer, love the stand up comic line!

To me, this is like buying a lottery ticket. I knew the odds were not great but the fun is in the determining....
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 Posted 02/01/2010  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found an article by the financial post that shows a known fake and it has the same bases for the '1' as the real Heritage ones.

A-$270-Gamble---Real-Or-Fake?.

I do not own one but I would be scared to by a 1948 dollar or any coin over $500 unless it was certified. There are some REAL good fakes out there sadly.
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 Posted 02/01/2010  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is the fake 1921 by H.K. Replica coins. As I said, yours is by The Big Tree Coin Factory. Check the 1's of the date with this one....see pic.....
http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/...rfun/aaa.jpg
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 Posted 02/01/2010  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamarin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A fake. The easiest way to tell is the leaf at the inside four o'clock position on the reverse is never complete. It's botched and it's the same on all this series of fakes.
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 Posted 02/01/2010  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
tamarin, that is a good marker....it may be hindered however when/if the coin has been tumbled to a G/VG appearance. :-)
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 Posted 02/01/2010  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry coinsrfun. When you initially said Big Tree Coin Factory, I thought you were being sarcastic but it apparently does exist (wonder how they came up with that name). Thanks for the comparison picture!

Tamarin thats a good tell to look for in fakes, I never knew about the 4:00 leaf. Something to watch out for in buying a more obtainable 1932.
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