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Pillar of the Community
United States
2177 Posts |
I thought this would be a good and educational thread for beginning and experienced collectors to share. Most coins I collect are from circulation and bank rolls. Eventually I hope to buy and sell. I wouldn't want to annoy or tick off anyone in the process. So, please post any 'What bugs you about buying and selling coins?' Something that bugs me are sellers and sites who won't post pics about coins they are selling.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1327 Posts |
the biggest thing that bugs me is. When I go into a coin shop and the dealer acts like his time is far more infortant then helping me and then if you ask for lower graded coin he make exuses why there are not out or just say they are not avalible at this time. so I guess it is when a dealer will not help me when he knows I am not planing on spend much money. I can't share about selling sice I have only sold a few coins on ebay never to a dealer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1247 Posts |
As a buyer it's sellers who take 3 days to answer an email. Typically these are "power sellers" who prefer paypal. I know ebay gives people 3 days to exchange addresses, blah blah, blah. But, if your going to be in business, be *business like* about it. And about Paypal folks, just because others like does not obligate me to like it or use it. I've also sold a few things on ebay, to collectors, and it was, more times than not, aggrevating. If your going to go fishing for a week, don't leave bids on ebay when your coming back a week after the auction ended. What's the seller suppose to do, make a special trip to the post office for your package? Sellers bulk their packages and then go down to stand in line for an hour. If you buy it, pay for it, the next day, not next week.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2365 Posts |
The only thing that annoys me when prospecting a coin for purchase is someone who is dishonest and claims that the coin is more than it is. I've been quite fortunate to have dealt with honest individuals.
There are two rules that I can suggest for you when you visit a dealer. 1) Have money in your pocket 2) Show a little knowledge but, don't try to say or do more than you know. You'll get caught everytime.
Suggestions: Ask questions
What to look for: Someone who represents their coins over valued and doesn't explain why. Most dealers will explain if a coin seems to be priced higher than book or lower for that matter. They may even negotiate with you if you see something about the coin that may reduce it's value in your eyes. For example: I just purchased a slew of Proof coins. One of them just didn't have the color that a proof should show. The dealer reduced the price for me a little and I purchased the coin.
There's nothing wrong with saying "I'll think about it" but, if you do be aware that the coin may be sold when you return.
Again, just try not to oversell yourself and what you know already. A little knowledge can go a long way with a dealer. Build a rapport with the dealer and keep returning. Even if you don't buy the first couple of times.....keep returning........keep looking and also let the dealer know what you're interesting in. It's amazing what they keep behind the counters.
I hope that this helps and I know that others can and will add to this. They may even disagree and that's ok. You can learn from all of our mistakes as well as our successes - also of your own.
I generally do not and will not purchase coins on-line. I prefer looking at a coin for myself first. I have had a few, very few, exceptions of this and have however, been completely satisfied. Again, others are more experienced in on-line purchases that I am.
Most of all - Do your homework and then have FUN!!!!!! This should reduce the annoyances from the dealer and for you.
Edited by dsking 06/14/2006 7:33 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
867 Posts |
The main thing that annoys me about buying coins is that my wishlist is almost always bigger than my wallet! Rachel [:p]
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
3831 Posts |
I personally don't mind if a coin is overvalued or undervalued. What is more important is if the seller himself is able to guarantee authenticity. But with the mad influx of high quality counterfeited coins, I am starting to be quite weary of waht is going on.
Selling fortunately for me is somewhat a pleasant suprise, but otherwise it could have been a lot worse at times.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2365 Posts |
Great point gxseries! That's very true!
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 United States
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Buying coins is no hassle for me - I believe very strongly in the caveat emptor concept, so if I buy wrong, it's on me. Selling, on the other hand, purely infuriates me. I sell excellent coins, with great pics and honest descriptions and grading, on ebay. I get my butt kicked by the shysters who picture an AU and describe an MS67, and get MS62 prices for it. My avatar coin, a solid PL (maybe DMPL) MS64, brought $40.  I've about had it with selling raw Morgans.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1703 Posts |
When selling coins post the best pictures you possible can. Describe the coins good and poor(if any) points in detail. Always offer money back, if the buyer is not satisfied.Do not try to deceive the possible buyers.It takes a lot of time,effort and money to put your coins for sale. it dosen't do you or the buyer any good if the coin has to be returned. Offer a fair shipping price. I do not go back to sellers who are asking outrageous shipping charges,no matter how good there coins are. Treat people as you would like to be treated when purchasing coins. When buying, Always buy the most coin you can afford. you will never be dissapointed. 
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Valued Member
United States
382 Posts |
What really annoys me are the seller's that take their own coins, slab it in their own plastic (gold tape is optional), and then sell it with no shame as a MS70 or PR70 "certified" coin!
My next gripe goes both ways...I look at a coin and I think it is a MS63. The dealer thinks it is a MS65.
I look to sell that very same coin back to the dealer (as time has passed) and the dealer tells me it is a MS63 and I tell him it was 'his' MS65 coin! Makes you want to scream!
My last gripe. At shows, some dealers REALLY need to take a course on "How to Win Friends and Influence People". Many will not even give you the time of day or they will simply grunt at you.
...until you take out a wad of cash. NEVER-EVER buy the first coin you see at a coin show. Walk the show first, make notes, take into consideration those dealers that grunt at you and then return to buy/sell. That's what I do!
Edited by zakgold 06/14/2006 8:52 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1247 Posts |
Walking around a show first, as Zak mentioned, is an excellent practice! You can also note who has a crowed table, that's a good sign of a good dealer.
You can also eves drop as move along the tables. Hearing the same dealer month after month say: "no, no, those aren't hairlines, it's just die polish" is a bad sign.
Don't comprimise on what your looking for. A.K.A "alternates." If the show doesn't have what your looking for, chaulk it off. Besides it's never a total waste if you learn something or even if your just entertained in some way. Such as:
Collector: (fresh from wallstreet, clutching blue sheet) "Got any Double Minted Proof likes." Dealer: "Say what?" Collector: "Double Minted Proof Likes, you know DMPLs." Dealer: Oooooh, those Double Minted Proof Likes..."
Or watching people trying to fake out dealers into believing they're vest pocket dealers to get better prices. The first thing they do is leer forever at a silver dollar with a loupe. The first thing a real dealer (table or vest pocket) does it rock it, looking for hairlines.
However, if you just buy a coin because you don't want to beieve you wasted half a Saturday then it is a waste. You've wasted money that can be used in the future when something does come along that you actually want.
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Valued Member
United States
260 Posts |
That there is not a store near me worth a darn!(That Goes For Buying And Selling) With the exception of flea markets
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1091 Posts |
I find the incredible hype that some large dealers and some Mints give their coins is a complete turn off. The truth is stretched so thin as to be dishonest to the collector. I especially hate when the Mint ( Perth Mint) will produce a "Show Special" coin with "Only 5,000 to be released in Australia" (in two shows) without telling you that another 70,000 coins have been sent overseas. (Year of the Rooster Show Special) When the Mint ( Perth Mint) say a particularly expensive set of 5 Silver coins with "Limited Mintage - Just 2,500 of these Sets will be released." and then a month later release the same 5 designs in gold plated silver coins. (2006 Figures of Note 5 coin sets) Or that Release a coin and stamp set with "a mintage limit of 7,500" and then later finding out that the limit is only for that "set" and they produced another 100,000 of the coin only. (Yep, Perth Mint again)! (Rotary 100th anniversary Silver coloured Proof 7 stamp set) I could go on and on, but those who buy Australian coins from the Perth Mint have probably had similiar experences. I think that they believe their "marketing" is still the truth. But, in my book, a "Half truth" is also a "Half lie". Getting ripped off by some schister is one thing, but when it's a Mint, well, I decided to stop collecting Perth Mint coins.
Edited by toast 06/15/2006 02:59 am
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Valued Member
United States
79 Posts |
99% of coin dealers in my opinion are about as credible as used car salesmen and politicians.Many dont even like coins except as a profit vehicle, let alone people!
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Valued Member
United States
55 Posts |
What bugs me is the grading thing. It is so subjective! What to get graded? What not to get graded?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2365 Posts |
I'm glad that I've always been connected with that 1%! I check them out for weeks before I make my first purchase. I watch the turnover of inventory, the other buyers. Basically, I do a great deal of homework before I walk into a store and while I'm there. My dealer is very fair, very knowledgable and is now my friend. He's never steered me wrong and will give me a better "deal" if I see something that is not acceptable in my personal collection. He will also hold coins back if he thinks that I'll be interested on my next visit. He isn't pushy at all and makes my visits pure joy. That 1% is a wonderful experience.
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