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I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this listing... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...250616682243This is a really cool error, but here is the really interesting part. I know the date of this dateless coin. The reason I know the date is because I have a normally struck (and uncirculated) Indian cent with the very same die cracks on the reverse. Here is a photo of the reverse of my coin...  I believe my coin is a slightly earlier die state since the cracks on the seller's coin appear to be slightly more bold. I have compared my coin to the photos extensively. The shape and position of the cracks match my coin perfectly. If you look carefully at the middle arrow tip of the seller's coin, you can see a faint die crack branching off the main one. My coin displays this same faint crack in the exact same position, although it didn't show up in my picture. I would think that die cracks would be much like fingerprints in that no two dies would crack exactly the same. Based on these die cracks, I am 100% convinced that my coin and the seller's coin were struck with the same reverse die (and probably not very far apart from one another). Since the obverse on my coin is normal, I think this would prove what the date was supposed to be on the seller's coin. Do you agree with my analysis? If I were to purchase this error coin and then send both into NGC, do you think they would certify them as a pair to show what the date is on the error coin? By the way, mine is certified at the same grade, so they would make a wonderful matched pair. Do you think there would be a significant increase in value if the date was known on the error coin? (Sorry for the long-winded post!) |
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I Agree with you on you're analysis,I believe you have found an exact match,The die cracks do line up perfectly,How cool is that?So what year are both coins?As far as adding value I'm not sure,I would think so
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you asked, "Do you think there would be a significant increase in value if the date was known on the error coin?" It depends on the date of your coin. If it's not a key or semi-key date or a variety, then I would think the value is primarily associated with the (known date)error e.g., if your coin and that coin are an 1877 or 1909-S, the pair would be immeasurably fantastic if your coin and that coin are 1909s, the value is in the error alone. I dont know if that makes sense. Nor do I know if I makes sense, really. 2000+ dollars is a lot of money for an IHC that may be a 1909...it's peanuts if the coin is a key date. |
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Part and parcel of numismatics is the accumulation of knowledge, moreso that in almost any other hobby. I believe we, as collectors, owe it to those who follow to add to the store of information when opportunity presents. You've been given a unique moment, cwb8539. I cannot speak to the value of the auction coin - certainly high as a rare and certified error - but your proposal to join these two coins would create a set whose combined value should substantially exceed their separate value, while adding something important to the bigger picture. I might advise contacting Rick Snow and Mike Diamond (who is a member here) to see if an approximate value can be set for this coin which would satisfy the seller while protecting your interest in not lightening your wallet unnecessarily.  |
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Thank you everyone for your comments! I'll keep you posted. SuperDave, I always value your opinion greatly. You have a lot of knowledge and you strike me as having been around the block a time or two! |
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cwb8539 - after you break the bank and buy the brockage, let us know what year it is!
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Thank you for the kind words, cwb8539. It's nice to hear I'm not always sticking my foot in my mouth around here. This would be quite the set in an NGC Multicoin holder. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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What year is your IHC? I could guess, but I might be wrong... Your discovery is very interesting, and I agree value would be associated with mintage for that year. Rick Snow is the right guy to ask--good luck!  |
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Well, the date itself is nothing special. It is a common date. I did splurge and buy the error coin. I should have it in a couple of days or so. I'll post some pics then.
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Congratulations! Should we all vote on what year we think it is? I say 1903 to 1906. I also think you should write something up for Longacre's Ledger.
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I received the error coin today! I couldn't get the package open fast enough! Again, the date itself is nothing special, but here it is...after a 100+ years of mystery...it can finally be identified...       Notice that both display the die crack at the bottom of the T in CENT. Both have the die crack branching off the main crack on the middle arrow tip...  They have the same die crack on the ribbon...  Notice the E in CENT. Is that some kind of chip in the die? Whatever it is, they are both the same...  The normally struck 1900 is most certainly an earlier die state. I was convinced before, but especially now that I've had the opportunity to examine them side by side, I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt there is enough evidence to convict the error coin of being a 1900. This is the first error coin I've ever owned. I did a lot of research on these counter brockage errors before I bought it. I don't know about this specimen possibly being the only known example on an Indian cent as the seller claimed, but they are exceptionally rare indeed. Now that I have both coins in hand, I need to figure out what to do next! |
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Super coin and a great investigative job. I think it deserves a write up.
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Now that I have both coins in hand, I need to figure out what to do next! Rick Snow is what you need to do next. This may be the single coolest thing I've ever seen at CCF. |
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i wish I had a handy $2500 to spend
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where did my exclamation mark go?
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You have got to send these coins to Rick Snow to authenticate what you already know. He charges next to nothing for this service and it will put your coins in a catigory all there own! Just go to https://www.indiancent.com |
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