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Very Strange 1870 5 Cent Error ? Or Extra Metal?

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 Posted 04/18/2010  12:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add artdio to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's a good one to discuss.... Some will call it an Error, others will say Die Deterioration, extra metal, ect..ect....It is how ever very clear ..The D a in Canada has been fused my this extra piece....

No matter what the call is The planchet has been compromised , therefore it should be an ERROR, .. When going through the punches or presses , these things heat up alot.. when all the extra flakings form the presses are not removed they can fuse to the planchet as seen in this example.. Once the new blank is inserted this is the outcome..

So does it qualify as an ERROR because it was done by the MINT at the MINT and not spotted by the quality control ? Is it a 1 time error on by the Operator? Is it a Unique specimen?

Lets have it folks, what say you all..

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 Posted 04/18/2010  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The picture is a little smaller than I am used to making judgements from, bu looks like a die crack to me. Not sure if that counts as an error exactly, since quality control in 1870 was a little different than it is now. I will let the experts have their say though.
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Hi Malissa, nope not a crack at all...There is actually a piece of silver fused to the planchet ..You can feel it with you finger....
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It is a die crack that probably developed into a Cud. A crack/break on the die creates a raised surface on the coin. The crack starts at the rim and runs along CANADA. The crack would probably have spread back to the rim and that portion of the die would have broken off, creating a cud(die break that affects the face and shank of a die).
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Bio, I'm not saying your wrong , but if a die crack formed all along Canada, then the Cud as you say would most likely be across the whole word , and not generalized only on 2 letters..... I would think it more a type of planchet peeling of sort and folded over after the first pressing ?

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Your coin would be a precursor to the formation of a Cud. On successive strikes made after your coin, the crack would continue to spread until that part of the die broke off. Die cracks start out as a thin raised line but yours is already widening and that is a good indicator that it is developing into a break.
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