1879-S Morgan

I would have to say a high MS but without being able to actually hold it and go over it with a loupe its really hard to say. I can see what looks like a few contact marks to the left and below the chin and to the left and below the M and directly below the S on the obverse,but that could be on the holder,hard to tell. I would have to say MS63 witout actually holding it,Bryan.

I know you cant tell from the pictures but it is a PL coin on the old green holder. I dont know why my camera doesn't allow that to ever come out when I photograph a coin, I have some more PL's and even DPL's and none of them look it in the pictures for some reason

I have got to say I am impressed, I can only hope my grading skills get that good one day. I didn't really think it would upgrade but just figured I would see what everyone else said about it

Hi Bryan (I'm back online for a short time, move again in a couple days)--

Based on the images, I'd guess MS-64 or MS-65. These days, the green PCGS label doesn't mean that PCGS used to undergrade their Morgans although that is a common misperception that may be (and is) capitalized upon during a sale. A resubmission of a green label to PCGS will only get you back a new label and almost certainly not a higher grade. Thus, any perceived advantage a green label may carry is lost. I can almost solidly guarantee that a green label resubmission will not result in a higher grade; I think the second "6" in their label maker is broken and I don't think PCGS is issuing MS-66s on Morgans anymore unless it's for a high-powered dealer.

As usual, I haven't looked at the other comments yet.

It's always nice to look at your Morgans!

Fred

yeah I didn't think it would upgrade either but I usually have a tendacy to either undergrade them or grossly overgrade them so I figured I would see what others had to say about it

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Originally posted by scoutjim99

I Think its MS-65 closer to the ms-66 but I agree with everyone else I dont think you would get a better grade. Now like Fred said If the right dealer sends in It will come back 68 or better LOL.. This is the who;e reson why I do not have any Certifieds in my collection...(but this is just my opionion)

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Jim, the dealer would have to pull a lot of weight with PCGS to come back MS-66. He'd have to be a PCGS dealer with PNG and a lot of alphabet letters after his signature. But, it's doable. Yeah, send it to SGS and have it come back MS-70.

A slight shift in emphasis: Your point is well-taken about certification, but while even the top three TPGs often disagree with each other on a coin's grade, I feel it is very important to have a collectible coin (or any other historical artifact) permanently encapsulated to preserve it for future generations. Coin World or other non-permanent holders aren't sufficient: they come apart too easily. Sealed slabs by NGC, PCGS, or ANACS will preserve a coin far better and far longer than having them in temporary holders, mylar or cardboard/plastic flips, folders, or even loose. One compromise would be to send a coin for authentication and encapsulation only rather than for grading. Preservation is paramount; they ain't making 'em anymore (well, maybe in China).

Fred