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Need Help On This 1899 Liberty Head $20

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 Posted 04/29/2010  10:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add siuchek to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Dear All, I am from Hong Kong and I know nothing about coins,
so I would really appreciate your help as to the value of this coin.

I have done some research on the net and finally learn about the name of this coin. It was passed down to me from my father who also got it from his father.

I understand the value depends a lot on the grade, but there is no certifying body or agency here that can help me to grade it.

So I sincerely ask for your help here and let me know a ballpark how much does it worth?

The coin is in gold color, it appears "washed out" because of my camera flash.

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 Posted 04/29/2010  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a silver casting of a gold double eagle to me. The O in GOD is what draws me to think it is a casting.
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 Posted 04/29/2010  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it a real gold color when you look at it (like gold jewelry)? You said this picture is washed out, but how washed out? Any chance of getting a picture with better color?

If the coin is real it is probably worth $1300 or so, depending on the current price of gold. The coin has just under 1oz. of gold (.967 oz.).
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 Posted 04/29/2010  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the community, siuchek. I have taken the liberty of removing your second thread on this coin - it's considered bad form to post multiple threads regarding one coin, but I'm sure this is something you didn't know. We'll concentrate on your coin in this thread.

Assuming the color is proper, if this coin is counterfeit, it's a good one. There are very few visible problems, although the pictures are a little too small to make accurate determination.

My suggestion would be to bring the coin to a reputable local dealer for authentication. PCGS, the largest US third-party grader, has an affiliated dealer in Kowloon:

Ma Tak Wo Numismatic Co, LTD.
Unit A2, 9/F China Insurance Building
48 Cameron Road, Tsim Sha Tsui
Kowloon, Hong Kong
852 231 62 926
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 Posted 04/29/2010  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF

Can you get larger pics and a weight on the coin.
At first blush it may be a copy.
The denticles do not seem correct as well as the deformed 'O' in God
as pointed out by AmericanaMafia.
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 Posted 04/29/2010  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add siuchek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you SuperDave for the information~
And to others, I have posted larger pic for you to review,
I hope this is not a cast but the real thing,
I am not going to sell it though, because it is a kind of family relic that passed from one generation from the other...
Anyway, see if anyone want to give more comments on this
Rest in Peace
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 Posted 04/29/2010  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks ok to me. I would weigh it and take a micrometer to the dimensions to make sure it is in line with mint specs. Or take it to a dealer like SuperDave said. If that all checks out, you're probably ok.
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 Posted 04/29/2010  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome! and why would someone silver cast a gold coin? just wondering...
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 Posted 04/29/2010  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
if this coin is counterfeit, it's a good one




It looks good to me!! (It's time to get it graded!)


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 Posted 04/29/2010  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Welcome! and why would someone silver cast a gold coin? just wondering...

I think its where he is from that made people second guess the coin in question. China is the hot bed for counterfeit US coins of all denominations and the reason it could be a different color is they were testing their dies and just struck something they had laying around or it wasn't meant to deceive, just as a copy of the pattern. I do not see anything in the bigger picture that would make me think it was counterfeit but have to admit since the place of residence is China I would probably want a weight of the coin before making a definite answer on authenticity because there are some that look very very good but their weight is off and sometimes that's the only way to tell
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 Posted 04/29/2010  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coin has been passed down for several generations, I would think there is a lesser chance of it being a counterfit.
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The new pictures are much better. Now at least we know the coin really is gold colored. It looks real to me, and it isn't a key date so it is less likely to be counterfeited. I'm not saying there is no chance, just less of one. SuperDave has good advice, try that dealer in Kowloon.
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 Posted 04/30/2010  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add siuchek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for the advice.
Yes, the place of my origin does indeed raise a flag to whether it is fake or not, lol
Anyway, I will be out of the country for 2 weeks,
after I come back, I will certainly get it graded,
good to know it looks legit beforehand to save the embrassement~
Keep you guys posted~
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 Posted 04/30/2010  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't wait to hear about this one.
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I am glad you understand that the uncertainty that was expressed in this thread was in no way directed at you personally it is just we have all seen how good these copies are from your country and it throws up red flags in our mind even though we don't mean for it to. We have seen both sides represented on here where someone from your country had a real coin and also seen where someone thought theirs was real and we had to tell them that it was a copy. Some has even fooled us before and we gave misinformation not meaning to only to find that after they sent the coin in to be graded that it was in fact a counterfeit coin which upset us as much as it did the owner I think.
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My bet is that it is a fake. The relief on the obv seems too high combined with the odd detail weaknesses on the reverse just has several red flags waving.
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