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1829 Half Cent - What Was Done To It ?

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 Posted 05/03/2010  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin has been in my coin box a long time. Does anybody know what this means. Maybe for use in connecticut or maybe just some guy messing with a hammer?
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It is a counterstamp of some sort. Counterstamps were frequently used for advertising purposes, think of it as an old-school business card. This one is fancier than most with the bird(duck, goose, chicken, turkey?) above the letters. I believe that Q David Bowers wrote a reference book for counterstamps but there is a large number of mavericks out there as well.
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 Posted 05/03/2010  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hemisboats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bio! Two things, first it kind of ruined the numismatic value as a coin but, second there is a good size collector base for counter stamped items. Thanks for showing, always neat to see something fun.
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 Posted 05/03/2010  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It almost looks like a NJ copper obverse horses head. Very interesting. You need to have it looked at some more by an expert.
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Bowers collects some counterstamped large cents but the only book he has written on the was about one particular issuer Dr Wilkens and his Water Cure. The book you are thinking of is by Brunk.
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 Posted 05/05/2010  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I guess I'll check the library for a book by Brunk?
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 Posted 05/06/2010  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why thank you Biokemist that will make my search so much easier.
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First Edition for $40 from the place I buy all my books:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...=30&x=48&y=9
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Your coin hosts a listed counterstamp or c/s; Brunk's T-17 and Rulau's MAV-46. Rulau rightly refers to it as a maverick, meaning that the issuer is as yet unknown. It's a logo of sorts, likely a unicorn. The appearance of a cigar shape within the whole design has caused some to speculate that this MAY have been a logo for unicorn brand cigars, but there is as yet NO published evidence to that effect. As of five years ago, there were over thirty specimens of this c/s acknowledged, and there may be as many as a hundred or more laying about. I have two in my collection, hosted upon 1828 and 1829 Half Cents. This c/s is typically seen upon Half Cents, but a few other hosts are out there. As the lastly dated host of which I'm aware is an 1855 Half Cent, this is likely a pre-Civil War issue. True attribution of this c/s may only occur at such time that an identical mark is discovered upon some product or with the pages of some early publication. What with the publications by Brunk and Rulau, coin collector interest in counterstamps has been gradually on the rise. No longer are these advertising artifacts simply junk coins ... They are puzzles to be solved and historic Americana.
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I'd offer a few more thoughts on this thread. The Brunk books are great, and I have both editions. They'll not tell you much about this particular c/s; nor will the Rulau book. The Brunk books hold more appeal to the advanced collector who plans to venture down this avenue of specialized exonumia. My suggestion would be to buy or borrow one of Rulau's 19th century token books, first. Some of the older editions (there are four editions) can be had very cheaply. In addition to listing most of the well known c/s's, Rulau lists a fair representation of Hard Times and Civil War tokens, too. It's a very handy reference work, even though prices and assorted info is outmoded. The 4th edition, latest, has a wealth of info, and it can be found for under $40.

In my humble opinion, Brunk's second edition is pound-for-pound worth spending the extra bucks on. Skip the first edition.

Regardless of the author or ebay seller, be wary when it comes to the attribution of counterstamped coins. There's often a possibility of error and/or exaggeration. Both Rulau and Brunk have made many corrections in their subsequent editions. This area of collecting is yet in the pioneer stage; fun, as it is.

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 Posted 05/10/2010  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much Exoguy, looks like you joined the forum
just to chime in on my Half Cent. We always appreciate knowledgable
members.I am going to look for that edition, sounds like an interesting history
lesson if nothing else. Do I dare ask if this piece is thought to be worth anything?

Funny story, I bought it at an auction, without even looking at it over 25 years ago.
Stupid, yes but I paid very little. I just wanted a Half Cent and the price seemed low,
so I bid. When I picked it up I felt like an idiot and thought it was worthles (and it may be)
but now it has value because I'll buy the book and learn something.
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 Posted 05/10/2010  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Upstate. I actually signed up for the site many months ago. Since I didn't see much conversation about exonumia from the 19th century, I didn't write. This is certainly an impressive site, and your question did prompt me to chime in.

You made a good purchase. Like you, mine were purchased some years ago at modest prices, what with their being damaged coins in effect. Even though the issuer is unknown, these fancy logo pieces tend to command a premium over what the average-graded host coin is worth. Checking my database, at least one of these has sold for $85, and I'd expect that most decent examples would fetch $60 or more. Pictorials tend to heat up the competition for c/s's. Ideally, those having a name, an address and a pictorial are prized by c/s collectors.

There's quite a bit of history that can accompany a c/s. Yet, the history can be factual or fanciful. When you impulsively bought this c/s'd coin, you likely sensed a story, some history. Your curiosity was piqued. That was the enticement for me to start collecting these bits of history. It's often said by collectors, "If only this coin could talk." Well, c/s'd coins can very often talk of their travels and reveal something about someone who once possessed them. Who knows, perhaps you may be the one to unravel the mystery of the "smoking unicorn" and yourself make a mark in numismatic history? Your story's unfolding as we write ...

Look for the most recent, 4th edition of the Rulau book first, then the 3rd. They are larger than the phone books of most cities. There's a lot of history crammed therein; the sort that gives one insight into what it was like to live in those times. The medallic artistry of our 19th century engravers, mostly German, is sure to catch your eye. You may well see how the token designs have influenced our coinage. Lessons in science and economics can be had, too. It's funny how but one coin can set us on a journey, isn't it? Enjoy ...
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HOLY mackeral, ExoGuy! Thank you for your contribution to this thread - fascinating stuff! Please chime in more often! I'd love to learn from you as it's true, exonumia isn't spoken about much here. Are there any other fora you recommend specifically for that? I have a fair number of religious, tax, and transportation medallions in the collection, and I'd love to learn more about them! :D

Thank you again, Exo! I hope to hear from you in other places as time passes... =)
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Hi ExoGuy,
thanks for the correction on the unicorn, I can see that now
I felt like I was taking a Rorschach test on this one and it was nice to have your informational contribution
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