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What are potential VAM's to check for an 1878-S, short nock, S set at least as high as VAM-77, if not slightly higher, centered and tilted right? I have been through every picture on VAM world and do not see one that matches. I'm looking at a very blurry picture and that's all I can make out. Was considering buying it if I can narrow down VAM possibilities or ID it. I know pics would help, but I don't have any. At least not yet. Just wondering if it might be worth the gamble. |
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Hello,
If the 4th star is broken on a 1878 S most of the Vams are not hard to find in UNC and most have little too no Premium
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Thanks twohawks, I can't tell if the star is broken or not. Tough pics. I'll see if I can doctor them and send to you.
I don't understand some sellers. You ask for better pics and you either get worse pics or none at all. IF I ever decide to start selling I would post clear and accurate representations of the coins. It alway makes you feel like they have something to hide.
This coin (from what I can tell) looks at least MS63, so why such shoddy pics? I don't get it.
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Scooby Due, When I look at a 78-S my eyes follow this progression: 1. long nock or short nock 2. 'r' in trust broken or unbroken 3. 4th right star broken or unbroken Value-wise if the 'r' in trust is broken and the star is broken I usually look no further. What really gets me searching and looking hard is a complete 'r' and unbroken star ... if I see a polished nostril my heart starts to race.  On the VAMWorld page for the 78-S, there is a hyperlink to sort by the 'r' and star. Click on it and these will sort by these features. There are a few that don't sort because they haven't determined which category they fit in. |
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Thanks SeatedNut, definitely short nock, doesn't look like the "R" is broken, and I can't tell about the star. I'm trying to get better pics.
Just found it strange that I couldn't find any pics at VAMWorld with a mintmark so high. I've tried cropping and playing with the pics and I can't get anything worthy to give you guys yet. The mintmark may or may not be tilted afterall, but it is definitely high. Which doesn't sound like that means much now. Sounds like it's all about the star at this point.
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In a perfect VAMWorld, every listing would have a picture of the whole obverse and reverse of each VAM with close-ups of the key pick-up points (PUPs). There are too many listings that just show the PUPs. Many times I see something unusual and want to verify, but am unable without pictures. Case in point are the 1878, rev of 79 C1 thru C3 reverses. These are hard to differentiate without lots of experience. You won't find a picture of the C2 reverse tail-feather configuration in the listings. There is also a thought that "If you want the whole story, buy the book/CD". Complete listings would definitely hurt sales of books and CD's on VAMs. Stepping down from soapbox ... |
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Actually, I'm glad you brought that up. What/where would you recommend for a CD or a book? I kind of like the CD route to begin with, but the old school in me will eventually want a book.
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The only book I currently have on VAMs is Jeff Oxman's 8TF book. I also need to supplement that with 7TF and 78-S books.
These are listed on VAMWorld ... can't remember where off the top of my head but if you search "books or CDs" you should get a hit.
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I think if you ask Messydesk, he has the books and cd's, Vamworld is an ongoing site where something new is always happening, the members do the work and mostly post just the main pick up points which in general save a person a lot of time then reviewing every possible variance on a coin...If a person doesn't have the main PUP's then sweating the little things is fruitless.......when you have the main PUP's then the little things can make the PREMIUM difference with some VAM's like the old saying "don't sweat the little stuff" until you need to... |
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Well put Gene and Seatednut. As far as reference books I have the supplement put out in January by Leroy as well as the BIG BOOK and the 1878 S book also. So if you get the coin and post the viewer left side wing by the leg we should be able to help you out.
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Those pics I sent to you Russ are the best I could play with. There is another 1878-S he has with short nock, 4th star NOT broken, looks like "R" IS broken, though - is this worth trying to get better pics of?
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Lots of good advice in there - thanks. I have a collection of most of the Morgans that was started by my father over 40 years ago. Quite a few have been submitted to PCGS for grading but they haven't flagged any VAM's. Is that considered one of their "special services" that they only do if requested? Is it possible that there are VAM's in what I have but I don't know it? Any info would be appreciated. |
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All are Vams! PCGS charges for attributing. Post one at a time I am sure we will look at them and help you.
Russ
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