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just received this coin.... it is magnetic and appears to be a 10 cent 1973 coin. BUT what is it really? and, HOW did this happen? and, WHT is this coin worth? any suggestions are much appreciated. H    |
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Cool looking coin HHB......Looks like a 1973 dime on a 1973 penny. As to what happened off hand I do not know,  But I would have to say that this one deserves the time to try and reasonably put together a process on how this could occur...As opposed to a quick judgement call without basis.. |
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I think it was a ten cent piece that finished OK and then wound up in the penny planchet bin. So it's one cent over a ten cent coin.
Value? Whatever you can get for it, like all mint errors. This one is a bit extreme so it might be worth certifying.
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I would post this on the CCRS website and get fenix, jmc or one of the other error specialists to see and comment on it. Fenix writes the error column for CCN and he'll salivate.
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I say have it certified. And oh, It's way cool.
John1 
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Haven't you ever heard of an eleven cent piece  That is what it is basically, a dime was struck and then somehow made its way into a hopper of cent planchets and then was struck as a cent. For US coins, this is quite a rare error with a single struck off metal error being the more common variation. Value would probably be at least in the mid hundreds. |
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The extremely rare 11 cent coin. There is only one problem I am having which is stopping me from saying a legit example. Nice Coin H. I own 2 of these 2 denomination coins. If legit, value of 750.00 to 1000.00 if the right people see it at auction.  Edited by coinsrfun
06/12/2010 5:58 pm
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The more I look at it, looks like a soft die garage coin. The "second" strike appears to be rockered......which can not happen, just my opinion of course. To me, it is home made.
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see the boat there is detail of the queens hair inside the sails but the outline of the boat is perfect hence 10 cent was second strike on this side, on the other side.......see the date....if the 10 cent obv had been second strike the date would be severly smeared...it is not, so the 1 cent strike was second on this side.....so the 11 cent coin with unmatching sides........LOLOL
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06/12/2010 7:28 pm
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If what you're saying is correct the image would be a negative, not a positive relief.
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a soft die was made probably out of resin. Please look at the boat. You will notice elements of the under strike (first strike) in the sails. Notice how the fields are clear to the left of the boat where the remainder of the hair design would be. Now, please look at the other side......The date has hair details in the 1 and the 9. The only way that this can happen is that the date was struck after and the hair was present when struck therefore, the 10 cent obv was struck first, the one cent rev second....exactly opposite of the other side. Now look at the apparent grinding polishing marks under the leafs. SCREAMS home made to.
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06/12/2010 8:43 pm
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WHY would anyone in their right mind make only One for financial gains?
make 20 , 50, or 100 etc... since as Coinsrfun says, a soft die was used....
why are there not more known...if that is the case...
I can send the original large JPEG file if anyone wants it to have a better look at it..
here are more data:
the diameter is about .5 mm larger than a dime
the coin is about .4mm smaller than a cent and fits just barely ON to rims of the cent
the coin is 1.12 mm thick
the weight is 2.11 Grams
IMO there is strong evidence that the cent was struck first, the Dime second
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06/12/2010 8:48 pm
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I've never had any luck at all punching a nickel planchet with a resin die even after after copper/nickle/chrome plating it. Even punching a copper planchet you get 2or3 strikes and then mush. They're not soft those planchets. I've also never seen a resin die strike that sharply.
While I can't explain away the problems you've noted (good reasoning there) I also can't believe someone made a die capable of impacting a nickle planchet this sharply just for kicks.
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The dime WAS NOT struck second on the one side....if she were, she just had kemo and her hair has fallen out? except of course where the date from the penny is.....the 1973 would be gone..............think, explain HOW this COULD be a mint coin? That is the first rule of error collecting....SUBSTANTIATE HOW AN ERROR IS ACTUALLY MADE AT THE MINT! I await your learned opinion. As an error collector I find NO WAY that this is real.
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Quote:
Notice how the fields are clear to the left of the boat where the remainder of the hair design would be The Queen's crown is the highest point of relief on the coin, correct? That area was not struck up with the hair and crown details because it is the deepest part of the die- a light planchet(dime) would not be able to fill out the die of a larger coin(cent) so you would see odd areas of weakness. You can also see the same weakness/flatness on the maple leaf. Quote:
IMO there is strong evidence that the cent was struck first, the Dime second
I do not think that would be possible without also involving a major collar malfunction too. If the cent was struck first, the planchet would have spread too much to fit in a dime collar. Also, the dime design will be distorted due to the flattening and spreading of the planchet when struck a second time with the cent design. Edited by biokemist6
06/12/2010 9:07 pm
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Ugly, error coins are made all the time. If you look close, the dentacles shift....and some appear on other elements where they do not belong. A squeeze job with the new tooling gels and polyesters will still require a rocking motion which is obvious on this example. There is an individual in Calgary who specializes in these. To look and explain, debunks them. Because....."if..........my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle". I do love error coins, I have had members here send me error coins for confirmation. The dimensions given also indicate the off set strike to be incorrect, as the planchett would not fit correctly and all 10 cent denticles MUST be present which they are not. It has been squeezes.
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