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Rest in Peace
United States
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A neighbor offered to sell me this coin, albeit beat up. Any ideas as to authenticity? I dunno - looks kinda funky. By the way, it weighs 3.1 grams.   |
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Valued Member
United States
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checking coinfacts, the weight is right - 3.11g , but the date looks funky - like it's been flattened ( numbers are way too wide ), it also looks like it's shifted to the left compared to the picture they have posted
i don't know if we can grab photos from other sites and post them here
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Rest in Peace
 United States
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Thanks twincam. Who knows what befell this coin. Maybe it got run over. Wish my eyesight was better so I could try to match diagnostics on this.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In my opinion it is not authentic. Genuine 1877 cents will display weakness at the bottom right of the N in ONE on the reverse. I agree, the date looks funky. The tops of the 7's look too flat. Here are some pics of a genuine 1877 (NGC certified). Notice the weakness on the bottom right of the N in ONE. Even MS examples will display this weakness:   |
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As cwb has pointed out, the N of ONE as well as the N of CENT, will show weakness on each. This coin does not as well as an altered date. The 7's are absolutely incorrect for a genuine 1877. Tell your neighbor thanks, but no thanks ;-)
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Rest in Peace
United States
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thanks all.I thought as much but was looking for some informed verification.
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Valued Member
United States
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vermontensium, you're right about the weak N's for the coins using the regular reverse die , the proof die that was also used did not have the weak N's - 6 dies were made , but 4 were not used until 1878
to me, the shifting and wideness of the date - the 8 looks too "rounded" and flat 7's included- would be enough to shy away from purchase, unless I could get it for a couple of bucks, and just keep it as a curiosity
( it almost sounds like I know what I'm talking about here, but I just read about the dies on the site I was visiting )
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United States
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Oh, no doubt it would be a cool educational coin to have. Maybe after informing him of the diagnostics, you may be able to get a good price for it. I'd pay $10-15 bucks for it just for the educational value.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Valued Member
United States
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it would be useful as an educational piece, there has been a discussion here on CCF about starting a counterfeit image gallery/website, maybe they could also offer a section on altered dates
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United States
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That would be great especially for those studying not only diagnostics on keys, but also learning to spot altered coins  swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From where I sit, the coin looks "cone-shaped. note the area in the middle is very worn, comparet to the rest.
IMHO, it is not a genuine article.
I could use it if it were a ptoblem coin, to go in my set of "problem coins", but I doube the '77, and the 09-S will ever fill a hole in it. All others are "present, and accounted for".
Dick
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm with twincam on the shifted date...way too far to the left.
Also, here's an obverse that says, "hey, I'm all worn out but for my over-sized and prominent date."
I dont think so.
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Valued Member
United States
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The '77s circulation strike all have the weak N in one. There are a few worn proofs in circulation that have the bold N but they're rare. The bottom of the second 7 should be slightly flat on the left. The date on this coin is way too bold for the wear on the rest of the coin and the top of the sevens are too flat. IMHO it's a replication.
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Valued Member
United States
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compaired it ot mine, yep looks fake!
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Posted 06/14/2010 01:03 am
