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Trying To Get Smart About The 1922 "Weak D"

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 Posted 06/30/2010  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
GoldRush58, thanks for clearing that up. I guess it was just the close proximity of our posts that had me going a little on just which coin you were referring to.

Anywho, I think mine does fit that #3 pairing, pal, I think you're right.

EDIT: The pics were taken out of the 2x2 before I had gifted the coin away to a deserving young kid. The alignment in the pics isn't "true." I know that because I know I had the 2x2 labeled "10 CCW." So, it is rotated, slightly, CCW.
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when I get ready to do my 22 no D I am going to scrape the d off and call it a no D. thats how I feel about the "no D, Weak D" variety
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when I get ready to do my 22 no D I am going to scrape the d off and call it a no D. thats how I feel about the "no D, Weak D" variety

I can't say that I blame you. Especially on the "Weak Ds," I don't "get" the premiums on those very much. On the "No Ds," that is the only coin through halves that was minted that year, and that is the only mint that minted them, and, without that D, they do look like Philadelphia minted coins...so, I suppose I can understand some of the fascination, there. A little, anyway...
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 Posted 06/30/2010  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hate to keep jumping in here .. but I just have to clarify

I am with jbuck and daviscfad on this one ...

I too do not like having to put this coin in my Lincoln Dansco.

Only problem is my Lincoln dansco has been getting better and better .. I am shooting for 1909 - 1929 in VF or better and 1930 and up Unc.

So this coin is my worst nightmare. Now I see some guides that break them down to weak D, missing D and No D.

Should we start a petition ... for an album with out a 22 no D? And send it to dansco.
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 Posted 06/30/2010  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This may be silly speculation ... but I've always wondered how many "missing" mint mark varieties might be out there that simply were thought to be Philadelphia mint coins. It sure can't be a coincidence that the only non-mint-marked LHC year just happens to be from the same year that Philadelphia didn't strike that particular coin - right?

Or should I just let this one go ... ?
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 Posted 07/01/2010  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PLS, you are dead on the money! The only reason why this 1922-D "variety" is recognized is that there were no Philadelphia coins that year.

I am sure other "missing mint mark" varieties exist for years that a Philadelphia counterpart was minted, but they would have to be identified by other dies markers specific to coins made at the particular mint in question. (Or they would have to be one of the many San Francisco proofs that are missing a mint mark). I am not a variety collector (unless that variety has a spot in the Dansco), so other more expert opinions are welcome!

For the record, I have bookmarked this thread. There is a lot of good discussion that will help me when I try to fill that hole.
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 Posted 07/02/2010  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tpatna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my Weak D Cent
This is slabbed and graded by PCGS as VF30

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Spend some time on ha.com, they have some great pictures.
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You can have those cents. In my eyes they are not part of the series and never will be. If I'm not mistaken the dies were over-polished enough where parts of the design were removed. There are dozens of coins with the same problem but they are not recognized. Sorry 22 lovers to me its just hype flowing through the veins.
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lol - wow, so much passion! I'm to the point where 1922 is the only year I'm missing in my wheat set, so I have to get one.

Now, I'm not sure how well a petition to dansco would do - the people that have paid out the wazoo for a "no d" or have been faked into thinking a "weak d" and paid no d money would probably not back you on that one! ;) lol

luckily, I haven't yet done either - and I appreciate the kind help from of all you before I went and did something rash! This forum is great. =)
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Logically I agree with razorear; that hole is a thorn in my side. In my heart, however, I empathize with with delaner.

I have three holes left, the other two being the 1909-S VDB and the 1914-D. Once those two are filled, I am left to wonder why I should leave an open hole in an album that I have been filling for over 25 years.
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You can have those cents. In my eyes they are not part of the series and never will be. If I'm not mistaken the dies were over-polished enough where parts of the design were removed. There are dozens of coins with the same problem but they are not recognized. Sorry 22 lovers to me its just hype flowing through the veins.


HAHAHAHAHAHA....give way to the dark side Luke!

It is a bit frustrating, I understand your point and I admit, I've always been on the fence with the no D and weak D stuff. Nonetheless, they are collectible and the coin folder/album makers have really driven the popularity. In that respect, it's a shame.

I own many 1922-D's including no D, weak D and most of any D state you can imagine. However, I do not covet those coins as much as my 22-D's that are well-struck examples. I only have those no and weak D coins because they make for a more complete collection. Like jbuck said, it just feels "incomplete" when you're missing them.
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 Posted 07/03/2010  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, it doesn't bother me if that hole stays there forever, and I'm the type that would normally go crazy over such things. I've been accused of being a perfectionist and I am to an extent, but not with this. If I ever get to it, I get to it. If not, so be it.

It's not a variety, so I guess technically it is an error? And if you're not going to include varieties, why would you include an error? Especially an overpolished die? I would think the '55 DDO would deserve a slot over an overpolished die.

What do I do when I find a '69S DDO? Just keep it in a flip?

That's what they should have done with the '22 No D. It's a curiosity in high demand and I understand the demand/value part of all of it. But, I do not think it should have been included as a slot in the album. The series should just be the coins that were "supposed" to be minted and the rest are side items to be showcased elsewhere.

Why not a slot for the '09 DDO? Or '09 S/S, or '11 S/S (which I have thanks to BadThad ) or top 100 RPM's? Or the '55 DDO like I mentioned? Where am I supposed to put my '84 Double ear?

Where would it end? Why did it even begin?

I'll probably put something there one day, like a .22 caliber slug and just call it a "22 plain".
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Here's one to enjoy!



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