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Hiya kids, hiya hiya... =)
I'm trying to get smart about "Weak D" 1922 Wheats. I can't afford a No-D right now.
I'm having a hard time differentiating between a "true" weak D and what people call a weak D but isn't really much weaker than Liberty. To me, that's just a weak strike across the coin, really.
I was wondering if anybody could shed some light by posting or directing me to some good posts or places that have true "weak D" strikes compared to a weak d because the coin is worn... I can't find anything that's really helpful!
Thank you all much!!
Cheers!
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delaner I also have been trying to figure this out. From what I read, the TPG's will put them into 4 die groups. Die 1,3 and 4 will have a weak reverse and either a "weak D" or "no D" Die 2 will always be a no D with a strong reverse. What I don't know is .. were there more than 4 die's used. Here is one link I read often. http://lincolncentresource.com/1922...rieties.html |
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This is FASCINATING! But what it tells me is that my hunch is completely right - what most people are selling as "weak d" variety '22's are indeed NOT, they are instead just '22's with a weak strike or with the D worn down.
Thanks for the link! Very good resource! =)
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Edited by oih82w8
06/30/2010 09:38 am
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Oih82w8, that's a 1922-D (Worn D). On what they're calling the "Weak D," you can barely make it out.
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Okay, I figured that since the rim was still intact and not worn down, that the "D" mushiness was considered the "weak D". Thanks for the input.
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The true Weak Ds are so weak that they are frequently confused with a No D coin and you will see many listed as such on ebay. |
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No problema. BTW, that's a nice strike on that reverse for this series, and it held up well under the circulated condition the coin is in. I know these 1922-Ds grade a lot higher than they look like they should grade, too.  |
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Keep in mind that I am far from an expert; which is the main reason why I have not bought one for my album yet, the other one is out of protest.  I agree that oih82w8 does not have a Weak D. My reasoning is not because the D is visible, but because it has what I see as a strong reverse. According to the link posted twice above (emphasis is mine): Quote:
Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 were the result of "mint grease", which is a combination of dirt, metal, and oil, filling the area of the mintmark. Mint grease would fill the mintmark gradually, resulting in different levels of "weakness". It is believed that the mint grease would fall out, then refill creating a cycle of normal D's, broken D's, weak D's, and no D's. When looking at circulated examples of 1922 D's, keep in mind that the mintmark could have simply be worn from use. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 have "weak reverses" because they were struck with worn reverse dies. I am not saying whether the mint-mark on his coin is from grease or honest wear, but I do think that the reverse is a better diagnostic. I am trying to get smart about the 1922-D "Weak D" as well! If I my opinion is wrong, please let me know.  |
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Jbuck, here's what they're calling a "Weak D." See what I mean, though? If you ask me, I think these TPGs all have a little too much time on their hands...  |
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I agree with jbuck That this one is not what the TPG's would not authenticate as a weak D. There are other die markers listed on the link posted above. Some exaples of those die markers are, there are more on the link Die Pair #1: The easiest way to classify Die Pair #1 is the Jogging Die Crack running from L in Pluribus through O in One. The second 2 in date is weaker than the first 2. Die Pair #2: Absolutely no trace of a D Reverse is sharp with nice wheat lines. Die pair #3: Second 2 in date is weaker than first 2. TRUST is weak but sharper than IN GOD WE. L in LIBERTY butts up against the rim. Die Pair #4 "The front of Lincoln's coat from about 4 o'clock to 5 o'clock appears to merge into the rim whereas Dies 1-3 all have a regular pronounced gap between the coat and rim. It would be nice to have one of each of these in hand .. to really learn what they are like. |
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oih82w8 After seeing the close up of your 1922, I really think the one I found meatal detecting might be a 1922 also. I think in hand the ghost of the last "2" in mine seems to have the same curve/shape as yours. Also mine has a worn die crack that does not show up in the pictures, but it is in the same place as die one markers. I posted this last night in grading section ... Here is it again  |
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Quote:I agree with jbuck That this one is not what the TPG's would not authenticate as a weak D. Maybe I'm just not understanding this. Are you saying mine isn't the Weak D? It also has the diagnostic reverse Jbuck references (very weak; mushy). |
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eddiespin
Sorry no .. I was talking about oih82w8 .. the coin he posted ..
I would have to study yours ..
Did you compare your's to the die markers on the link .. link is on here three times.
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eddiespin ... I am not a expert .. still learning as much as I can on these.
I would be looking at yours as a possible die #3
Your second 2 in date is weaker than first.
The L in liberty is against the rim
In the motto, hard to tell from pic .. but motto looks weak .. with trust maybe a little better than the rest.
From the pic I can not tell if the "O" in ONE (reverse) is sort of spreading wider on the left side.
Check to see if the coin is slightly rotated counterclockwise.
I keep looking at your coin .. and the obverse seems like a better strike than a weak D should have. On these seems the best way to know .. is to send it in to be graded.
This is just my best guess .. good luck
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06/30/2010 7:53 pm
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