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Rest in Peace
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One of my better coins which I really like.  (Jake, don't spoil it : P) |
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Very nice coin, I need this variety. I'd grade it at AU-50.
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Valued Member
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Valued Member
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ShadowCreator, are you going to reveal the grade?
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Rest in Peace
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NGC XF details cleaned. As you probably can imagine, I was pretty upset with the grade.
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Pillar of the Community
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Can't tell about the cleaning from the pics, but I would say it at east deserves AU-details
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There are absolutely no hairlines to suggest cleaning, and it doesn't have a dipped 'look' either. My dealer said it might have been stored in an old brown envelope to tone and that NGC wouldn't like that.
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Came across this coin among some family things and having no experience as a collector would like to know more about its history, grade and value - thanks   |
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1810 half, looks about G-6. Value probably around $70 I'm guessing. You should start a new topic though!
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Pillar of the Community
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I would have said XF45. I agree that it doesn't look like it was improperly cleaned. If you tilt it around in a light, you might see some hairlines indicating an old cleaning.
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Nope, nothing of the sort. I might resubmit it, but if NGC is 'cracking down' I feel they may give it this grade again (which I think is unfair). It's really important I get it into an AU slab because it's a $1100 coin in that grade. Even in a problem free XF-45, at least $900. I feel that it should grade at least problem free XF-45, so I'm hoping I can.
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Pillar of the Community
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On a second look of the coin, I think I now why they bagged it. Look around the devices and protected areas. You see the crust there? But, you don't see it on the surfaces. This is a red flag and strong indicator of a past cleaning and retoning. You might get lucky and get it in a "good" slab, but if your buyers are discriminating you still might not get the full value from what the plastic states.
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Yeah I know what you mean, thats a classic sign of an old cleaning. But in those cases (which I've learned to recognize), there are ALWAYS hairlines. However in some cases, even with slabbed coins, I've seen ones that have more toning near the devices than on the surfaces. Don't substances naturally accumulate a bit more in the devices if the coin is in circulation? I just can't see how its been cleaned if there are no hairlines (or excessively dipped with none of that excess shine, I've also dealt with many dipped pieces).
I kind of feel like they just looked at the color distribution and assumed it was cleaned without looking really really closely. It may indeed have been toned in an envelope but I just can't see any hairlines no matter how carefully I look. And it has a lot of subtle luster too, and just appears natural. I mean, I pretty much universally dislike cleaned coins, so if this were really cleaned I probably wouldn't think it had so much eye appeal. I'm not arguing or anything, just really frustrated. Of course, I lucked out on some others.
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07/14/2010 6:12 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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You might be right...it might be absolutely original and crusty around the devices. I'm just saying that in many cases it's a warning sign.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think NGC may have goofed on this one. I don't see the cleaning. Someone point it out to me.
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Posted 07/09/2010 12:59 am
