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What Would You Grade This 1924 St. Gaudens?

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 Posted 07/26/2006  1:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just some practise, I guess.

ok I guess that didnt work... I NEED A BOOK CALLED "POSTING PICS ON COINCOMMUNITY FOR DUMMIES!"

by Susanlynn9: It wasn't your fault. It was the way the pics were set up on the site. Here they are. The top of the obverse is not flat, that's just a bad cropping job on my part.

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 Posted 07/26/2006  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Pattiewhack

make sure that there are no symbols in your file name only numbers and letters, and that the file size is less than 100KB and you should have no problem posting pics.

If you have trouble send them to me and I will see if I can help .

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 Posted 07/31/2006  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok will do thanks... no grades yet though...
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 Posted 07/31/2006  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64. There are some hits to the obverse that would keep it from going higher in my book. The luster looks good and it seems to have a pretty nice strike.
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I guess this could be a MS64
But not having the coin in hand I would feel more
confortable with MS63
On the obverse there are several places with rub in the fields
(marked in red) and of course the three bagmarks on the left leg (marked in blue )
The reverse has a slight edgemark and unrest in the fields at 8 o'clock ( half a dozen sharp spots ) but maybe the deciding factor is the area circled in green which does not show the same lustre ( and is one of the highest points of the design )

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The reverse



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 Posted 08/02/2006  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I asked my photograding american friend ( retired coindealer ) if this could be an MS64 and received following answer

Quite possible. The chatter on the obverse I think is die polishing marks and they won't count off for those.
On the reverse there's a bit of scuffing on the sun -- that's
the only issue I see that might knock it to 63.
I think this is one of those "did the grader get...


I had to delete the things that would make a grader happy enough to slide a slider up instead of down
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 Posted 08/02/2006  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Either AU-58 (top of wing on reverse) or MS-64. Beautiful coin! :-)

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 Posted 08/03/2006  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will tell you guys the grade it received, and the grader, after I get a few more responses...
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quote:
Originally posted by pattiewhack

I will tell you guys the grade it received, and the grader, after I get a few more responses...



I think if you tell the name of the grader we can be a lot closer
like MS69 for some
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 Posted 08/03/2006  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think Ageka's exquisitely detailed grading evaluation is definitive. I am certainly not knowledgeable in gold and, after his analysis, I won't even try. As our forum's acknowledged gold guru, Ageka has a fine eye for detail in gold coins. This coin should have been slabbed by no other TPG than PCGS, NGC (preferred), or ANACS (not sure about ICG's reputation in gold) given its value and the fact it IS a St. Gaudens.

In any instance, it's a fine coin and worthy of special treatment and consideration. Pattiewhack, is this in your personal collection? If so, you have a treasure!

OK, pattiewhack, you can give us the whole picture now...

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 Posted 08/03/2006  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do believe I've just sat at the foot of a Teacher. Very enlightening.
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Bravo Ageka. I also agree MS-63 but depending on what service it could go higher or lower. I would not be to suprised w/ A MS-64 though, As I am not accustomed to grading gold.
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 Posted 08/04/2006  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all
I try to help by indicating the areas I consider for grading
I have been photograding for 3 years now and still have problems detecting die repolishing effects( except on coins from South America where they are very pronounced when present )

Sofar me and my friend have been fooled only once by a photo ; with the coin in hand it turned out to be polished which was hidden in the glare of the lighting ( that is why I prefer scans or low reflection photos)

My friend prefers NGC on goldcoins too and sofar he got coins returned between MS63 and MS67 and we have had only positive surprises ( coin sliding one unit higher then we rated it )

We tried to make an MS65 collection of new English Sovereigns 1957 onwards but could not find coins for sale that came close so we abandoned that project ( allthough we had two from a long time ago which could make MS65 )

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 Posted 08/07/2006  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok funs over... I wanted to see what this coin would receive from half-decent graders...
this St. Gaudens graded SGS (of course) MS-68
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 Posted 08/07/2006  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why would anyone in their right mind send a coin off to a carney-barker grader like SGS? Unless it originally came from SGS rather than as a submission.
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