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1900 Morgan - Need Help With Basics

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I must apologize again for my ignorance, but I find this very confusing. If I need to know the hub type to identify my coin, then why is a major hub feature irrelevant ?


On the contrary, I need to apologize for my poor choice of wording.

The hub type is not relevant because it's listed on the page for every listed VAM, and there are very few mintage years which even have more than one hub in play. For those years which *do* use more than one hub, the outward differences (8 tailfeathers instead of 7, for instance) are large enough to make identification a snap.

The overwhelming majority of Morgans are obverse III2 and Reverse C - that pretty much covers 1880-1904. Obverse IV and Reverse D are 1921-only.


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Do you know if this information is included in their book ?


Yes, it is. The book isn't "theirs," though; it was written by Leroy Van Allen and A. George Malis (whose initials make up the acronym " VAM"). They are the ones who devised the designation system which the folks at VAMworld continue to use today. Indeed, Mr. Van Allen is still with us, and is the sole human being who can declare the existence of a new VAM.
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 Posted 07/11/2010  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Your photo is not at a true 90 degrees

Oh, so true. Most of the close-up photos are being done with an $8 web cam held in hand. I did not see any doubling but I have included a picture here for a better look.

Also, in an effort to get a true 90 degree representation I have used my flatbed scanner. Here are links to the results.
1200dpi Obverse
http://24.57.62.251/1900obv1200.jpg
1200dpi Reverse
http://24.57.62.251/1900rev1200.jpg
2400dpi Obverse
http://24.57.62.251/1900obv2400.jpg
2400dpi Reverse
http://24.57.62.251/1900rev2400.jpg



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 Posted 07/11/2010  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the clarification SuperDave. I understand now that it is relevant but only to years where more than one type may have been used. The irrelevance was solely due to the year that I am looking at.

It sounds like that book may be a better 'next investment' than another Morgan. I generally obtain knowledge before purchase but in this case it was a spur of the moment deal. I only have three Morgans, I haphazardly wandered into the realm of VAM, and wham bam here I am.

Your input is greatly appreciated.
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It sounds like that book may be a better 'next investment' than another Morgan.


It's entitled the Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan and Peace Dollars, and you'll want the 4th Edition of 1991. Although the background information is invaluable, keep in mind that over half of all known VAMs have been identified since it was published, so it will have limitations as an attribution tool. You will, however, not need any other source to understand how and why Morgan and Peace dollars were produced. It's also an excellent source of information regarding broader minting processes, applying to all coins of the era.

It's not cheap. If you can get it for less than $75, go for it.

There are also more specialized publications dedicated to particular varieties. These books I might not recommend unless you find yourself specializing in their areas; consider that if it's special enough to have its' own book, it's also special enough to have a lot of information available at VAMworld.
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From what I see it is a near date/slanted date but I cannot place it in any of the current VAM number categories.
I know that I had said it was a normal date but the pictures from the scanner have convinced me otherwise.

I am expecting a microscope in a week or two so maybe then I can check for doubling and other attributes a little bit easier. I'll post the other two also once I am better set up to display finer reference pictures. They are an 1896-P and an 1899-O.

Thanks to everyone for your input.


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 Posted 07/11/2010  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, this coin is a near date? I guess I need a better eye on determing the fine difference. That one is right on the border to me.

What about the bells & whistles clue from zeewool? Apparently it jumps right out at him.

And also thank you for this:


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The overwhelming majority of Morgans are obverse III2 and Reverse C - that pretty much covers 1880-1904. Obverse IV and Reverse D are 1921-only.


that helped to clear up a lot of what I have been doing wrong, too.
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I found an Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan and Peace dollars, 4th Edition, but it has a publish date of 1998, not 1991 for just under $60 (soft bound). Should we still pursue the 1991 publishing?
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 Posted 07/11/2010  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Scoob. The coin is a near date. I call it vam-5.
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 Posted 07/11/2010  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scooby, I can't say that I know enough to deny there were reprintings. I suspect you've found the answer to my lack of knowledge. In fact, I don't even know for sure when mine was printed.

Go for it.
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I have it as VAM 5 also......
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I believe there is a 4th edition of the encylopedia, however, I don't believe there were updated as new discoveries were made to the listings, hence a reprinting of old material, still valuable none the less.....As a start that was the first thing I did was go find the book, I've seen it for sale use from $25 to 100, I got mine pretty cheap and found its quite expensive later...
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