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Here is another 21-S Morgan ,, Grade opinions please   Thank you !! Rick |
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I'm going AU-55 on this one.
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I'm thinking AU50 Details - the obverse looks cleaned.
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AU50, light past cleaning.
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Is that toning above her eye? It makes her look like Brooke Shields? Sorry Rick!
You all know that I'm not good at grading - still learning but, I wouldn't go as far as an AU nor would I buy a coin with that many "pock" marks (for lack of the proper) term. Extra fine for my not so knowing thoughts. The breast feathers look worn through my eyesight and there's a nasty notch next to the "1".
I don't play Bridge according to Hoyle either!
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Would someone please explain the reasoning behind the AU-50? How can it be About Uncirculated when it perhaps has been cleaned, shows so many scratches/dents/marks, worn hair above and below the ear, wear at top of breast feathers and does not the toning reduce its grade? If this coin was processed through the Coin Conservation would it then increase it's grade or lower it if the scratches/dents/marks became more pronounced. Should not an About Uncirculated coin show atleast some luster? I don't see consistencies here in grading Morgans. What am I missing folks? I'm trying to learn but, Morgans are difficult and don't seem to always follow "protocols". Help?
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Originally posted by dsking
Would someone please explain the reasoning behind the AU-50? How can it be About Uncirculated when it perhaps has been cleaned, shows so many scratches/dents/marks, worn hair above and below the ear, wear at top of breast feathers and does not the toning reduce its grade? If this coin was processed through the Coin Conservation would it then increase it's grade or lower it if the scratches/dents/marks became more pronounced. Should not an About Uncirculated coin show atleast some luster? I don't see consistencies here in grading Morgans. What am I missing folks? I'm trying to learn but, Morgans are difficult and don't seem to always follow "protocols". Help?
I understand your confusion,but when I grade a coin,I grade 90% by wear only, AU50 is the lowest of the AU grades and is defined as "Traces of wear show on hair above eye,ear,edges of cotton leaves and high upper fold of cap.Partial details visible on tops of cotton bolls. Luster gone from cheek.Numerous bag and contact marks" AU coins need not show luster. If this Morgan were to still show traces of luster then it might go AU55 or AU58.If it were to show more wear then it would be in the EF catagory. Cleaning a coin does not change the wear showing.Its the degree of wear that give the coin the grade I give, not so much the luster or if it has been cleaned or not. Hope that helps some Deb.  |
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I understand your confusion,but when I grade a coin,I grade 90% by wear only, AU50 is the lowest of the AU grades and is defined as "Traces of wear show on hair above eye,ear,edges of cotton leaves and high upper fold of cap.Partial details visible on tops of cotton bolls. Luster gone from cheek.Numerous bag and contact marks" AU coins need not show luster. If this Morgan were to still show traces of luster then it might go AU55 or AU58.If it were to show more wear then it would be in the EF catagory.
Cleaning a coin does not change the wear showing.Its the degree of wear that give the coin the grade I give, not so much the luster or if it has been cleaned or not.
Hope that helps some Deb.
In addition to those words of wisdom, it must be understood that 1921 Morgan strikes run the gamut from pretty darn good to utterly lousy, even from San Francisco. It is entirely possible to come across a Mint State 1921-S with very little more detail than the coin pictured. And, as always, grading coins from a picture is an exercise in whimsy and I would not commit myself to any opinion as fact without seeing the coin in-hand. |
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Rick, just an observation and not from knowledge, the reverse is beautiful to me,
but the obverse looks like it's had a skin peel done
by some nasty cleaning process. I would call it an AU, but cleaned
and let the interested party worry about it.
Berry
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I understand your confusion,but when I grade a coin,I grade 90% by wear only, AU50 is the lowest of the AU grades and is defined as "Traces of wear show on hair above eye,ear,edges of cotton leaves and high upper fold of cap.Partial details visible on tops of cotton bolls. Luster gone from cheek.Numerous bag and contact marks" AU coins need not show luster. If this Morgan were to still show traces of luster then it might go AU55 or AU58.If it were to show more wear then it would be in the EF catagory.
Cleaning a coin does not change the wear showing.Its the degree of wear that give the coin the grade I give, not so much the luster or if it has been cleaned or not.
Hope that helps some Deb.
In addition to those words of wisdom, it must be understood that 1921 Morgan strikes run the gamut from pretty darn good to utterly lousy, even from San Francisco. It is entirely possible to come across a Mint State 1921-S with very little more detail than the coin pictured.
And, as always, grading coins from a picture is an exercise in whimsy and I would not commit myself to any opinion as fact without seeing the coin in-hand.
Very true Dave,Morgans are a different breed of coins. The best advise I would offer to someone interested in Morgans would be to read up on the Morgan dollar to see which coins are known for weak strikes and other abnomalies of this coin."A Guide Book of Morgan silver dollars" by Q.David Bowers is a good start.There are so many variables that you have to get "educated" before delving into the Morgan addiction. Opps,I mean hobby.  Grading from pictures,I always try to stay a grade below What I really feel the coin might be. In hand can change your whole outlook on the coin. |
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Heres an example of no luster,weak struck,high graded Morgan. This is graded NGC MS65.   |
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Hi Everyone
Thanks for the opinions,, This coin actually has quite a bit of luster left on it, the photo was done under incandescent light and has taken on the gold green color that is normal for that type of lighting,
as for the cleaning I think the obverse has been wiped ,while the reverse has stayed pretty much original,, I placed the grade of the coin as an AU=50 myself and wanted to check it with the rest of the Morgans guys with more experiance.
Rick
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Originally posted by dsking
Would someone please explain the reasoning behind the AU-50? How can it be About Uncirculated when it perhaps has been cleaned, shows so many scratches/dents/marks, worn hair above and below the ear, wear at top of breast feathers and does not the toning reduce its grade? If this coin was processed through the Coin Conservation would it then increase it's grade or lower it if the scratches/dents/marks became more pronounced. Should not an About Uncirculated coin show atleast some luster? I don't see consistencies here in grading Morgans. What am I missing folks? I'm trying to learn but, Morgans are difficult and don't seem to always follow "protocols". Help?
Hi Deb Join the club !! The morgan series has been by far the most challenging coin that I have been learning to grade,, they seem to have their own grading system ,with settle differences within each mint. Its a challenging series to learn , but I think it is well worth the time I'm spending. Rick |
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