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1945 Mercury Dime - Doubled Die (Date)

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 Posted 07/19/2010  11:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Have come across a 1945 Merc with what appears to be definite hub doubling on the date. It shows up on the 1, 9, and 4 (similar to the 42/41D but not as pronounced) of the date and to a lesser degree with thickening of the bottom curve of the 5. Checked the CherryPickers Guide covering dimes with no reference. Anyone heard or seen this variety? If so, I was also wondering about a price reference. Coin looks to be a good XF-45 and possible AU50. The doubling shows up well under 10X magnif.
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 Posted 07/19/2010  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures!?
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 Posted 07/20/2010  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's really impossible to help you without good, clear images that show the doubling. No disrespect intended, but over 75% of all "reported" doubling turns out to be something else that's not really worth anything.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well he did say its Hub Double. Usually its Hub Double mistaken as a Double Die.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Usually its Hub Double mistaken as a Double Die.


"Hub doubling" and "doubled die" mean the same thing.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i thought hub doubling what when it makes the date look like its ghosted a little. and double die was two separate impressions.

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 Posted 07/20/2010  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps you are thinking of Machine Doubling...

This is interesting reading:

https://goccf.com/t/51410
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 Posted 07/20/2010  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AHHH yea, thats what it was... had my wires crossed.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures will come next as soon as I can get something posted. Relatively new to the forum and need to perfect the technique for posting good images. As to doubling, there are very distinct notches on the crossbar and vertical bar of the "4", there is a distinct curved line in the lower curve of the "9", and there are notches in the top and bottom of the "1" which is indicative of a 1 postioned behind an overlaying 1. This is visible under 10X and much easier to distinguish under 30X. As to the 5, it shows up pretty much as just thickening of the lower curve of the 5. the 1, 9, and 4 look similar to but not identical to the doubling on the 42/41D. My $.02. time to work on the pictures. :-)
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 Posted 07/22/2010  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, Hello to all. I think I have been successful in taking some pics of the Merc dime I am referring too. These aren't the greatest, but you can see the notch in the bottom of the 4 and there is another notch underneath the crossbar of the 4. Some thickening of the lower curve on the 5 is visible. The die line (curved) in the 9 doesn't show up all that well as does not the upper point of the 1 behind the front 1. The extra tip of a 1 shows behind the primary 1 and appears to be tilted slightly to the left. Comments of further advice would be greatly appreciated.

Dcreek1968

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 Posted 07/22/2010  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures looks soft lacking contrast.
Take a look at one of my post here.

https://goccf.com/t/67381

Does it look similar to this one I have?
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 Posted 07/26/2010  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not a doubled die....Thanks,Bill
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 Posted 07/29/2010  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK folks, I have been able to take some photographs of this hub doubling through my microscope at 30X. I've attached a few of them for your review and comment. The doubling on the 9 and the notching on the 4 show up very well. There is also doubling on the "5" and the "1" with notching at the lower right on the "1". Look forward to hearing your thoughts.



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These pictures are much better.

dCreek, is this also a "D" mint coin, like macmercury's in the other thread?

If this end's up being Machine Doubling, I need a better understanding of the term "notching".
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 Posted 07/29/2010  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pfriddle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty new to this but it looks like a doubled die to me.
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