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 Posted 08/02/2010  02:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Zombieswat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm 24 yrs old and about 2 months ago I got interested in collecting coins. Since then I've tried to learn everything I can, and I've been assembling sets of all the modern denominations from circulation.

My question is, with all the rotating design changes the last few years like the state and ATB Quarters, westward nickels and the 09 lincolns, which are a new concept to US coins, how will these change the future of coin collecting?

Will we look back 100 years from now and see them as a fad? Or are quarterly reverse design changes here to stay, especially for the quarter?

Will people be paying premiums for the low minted us territory quarters to complete sets of the 'old Statehood Quarters', and scarfing up 09 nickels and dimes as 'key date' coins?

To my knowledge no series in us coin history has featured the design changes like coins in the last decade or so, and I think it might have influences on the coin hobby long down the road that not many of us can forsee right now. But maybe I'm wrong :)
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 Posted 08/02/2010  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Griffin Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krause had an interesting article about this today or yesterday, but more along the lines of how this new fad has gotten more people interested in numismatics, and as a result, even if a quarter of them continue collecting, and decide to go after other obsolete series, the key dates are going to rocket up inprice like never before. And vice versa, some of the low mintage coins from these series will quit possibly being a huge price in the not to distant future. It was an interesting read.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zombieswat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds interesting, got a link for it?
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 Posted 08/02/2010  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razorear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see how there will be a great premium for such high mintage coins. Some of the barber qtrs are going for just a couple dollars and thats because of the spot price. If there is any real value I'm sure most of it will come from hyping a certain coin upward.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zombieswat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Razor:
well yes none of the Statehood Quarters have mintages low enough to consider them rare, but the territories are low enough to the point of being hard to find in circulation, and these are new coins, how hard will they be to locate a century from now?

My comment was more aimed at HOW we collect. Instead of just assembling date-mint sets, people are now have as many as ten new coins a year to hunt down in the case of the ATB Quarters, and that's not even including proofs. The P & D Statehood Quarters makes for 114 coins in just a 10 year span. my point is the different varieties and designs of coins are coming faster and faster and presenting a more challenging 'goal' for the collector, and I'm speculating what influences this may have on the hobby as this trend either continues or dies down
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 Posted 08/02/2010  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The hobby has all kinds of collectors. There will always be those that gravitate to high end coins and buy only when the auction price is right. They'll never care if they have every dollar coin as long as they have that 1804 or a 1912 S Stella collector, etc. They'll always be there to get the best and amass a fortune in coins but have few in relation to the average collector.

The collector trying to fill a hole because he loves the series, type, denomination will also still be there plugging away. Collectors won't change likes or dislikes unless afford-ability affects acquisition. You can love something from afar if you can't afford to own; I regularly go to the Smithsonian to drool over their collection (although I don't see that happening with the average "fill from circulation" collector. Coins will be needed to enact commerce and people will collect what they like.

Nothing will change unless the new "Simplify the Coins" directive from the CFA results in placement of just a numerical value and the mandated motto's, IGWT and EPU, on a chunk of nondescript metal and circulated. (A shiver just went up my back.)

Another thing that I just thought of, are you saying that collectors don't want to collect more than the mandated business strike coins? If so, I wouldn't call that being much of a collector. Coins represent history and culture as well as commerce. It would be pretty sad is we could only collect a specific denomination and not celebrate exciting periods, events, or people in our history.

That's my 3 cents.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect what I like - unfortunately, what I like is becoming more difficult to acquire. I have yet to see one of the National Park quarters - and I despair of ever seeing a Philly one in circulation. I don't mind paying for a nice classic and/or silver coin - but I simply cannot justify paying more than face for something that is currently in circulation.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vgasca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think coin collection will have its peaks and troughs. Today many collect State Quarters and maybe in 40 years the State Quarters will no longer be in circulation and many will be looking for them. However, I do not think it is worth paying a premium for a State Quarter unless it is in a very nice state. On the other hand it is a good idea to collect them now because they may be worth a lot later on down the road. The State Quarters are beautiful and may fetch a large premium later down the road.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hugemistake2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really do not think that the general public notices this glut of coin series that has followed the State Quarters. Those were certainly popular because it was something new. But once Congress started the Westward Journeys nickels, Lincoln Bicentennial pennies, Presidential dollars, Native American dollars, and America the Beautiful Quarters people stopped paying attention. There is no more novelty to coinage series and what has followed is a glut of boring, insipid coinage designs. The Mint has unfortunately taken a liking to a "story-time" philosophy to coin design, that is, every design needs to have educational value to it (even commemoratives). The subjects are presented in the simplest, most one-dimensional manner to get across the message of the coin quickly and briefly. Gone are the use of artistic allegory and symbolism.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zombieswat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hugh: Yes this is what I'm talking about. When these design changes become old hat, collectors may start to pine for the old days of consistency. And how long can the mints keep churning out new concepts every year?

Personally I love these series' especially the state quartets and ATB so far, and I even think the dime is due for some changes. But I hardly represent the general coin collecting population, especially as a new collector.
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 Posted 08/02/2010  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If they become rare, people will collect them like most people collect morgans, classic commemoratives or even ancient coins. A few examples of the nice affordable ones, and an expensive wish list.

I can't believe that the state/territory quarters will ever be rare - even if you aren't seeing them in your neck of the woods just yet. Look through your change and see how many mid sixties quarters you find - and those are coins that circulate a lot (unlike nickels and pennies) or even how many bicentennials are still out there (those were hoarded in droves 35 years ago). Many people who aren't normally coin collectors built state sets and I think people will be pulling beat up Whitman's full of Grandpa's quarters for the next 50 years. I do think high grade mid to late 90s quarters will be rare in 10-20 years though because no one cares about them now.

Now the REAL question for me is do I include 1 quarter from 1999 or 2000 in my 20th century type set, or do I include all of them? Arrg!
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 Posted 08/02/2010  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiepb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RollHunter, you just hit on one of my gripes - Type Collecting. That's an area that won't be affordable much longer if the mint keeps cranking out all these different types.
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Well, statistically, the 20th century actually ended with the year 2000. Ball's in your court now?
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One other problem I see is how the coins will wear. Look at any mid-60s quarter, nickel, or cent. The relief appears to around 1/32". Lay a 1962 cent flat on a table beside one from 2010. You can tell which is which with your eyes closed, without picking them up and feeling the weight difference.

The relief on all coins struck in the last 10-20 is much less than it has been. To a degree, I even understand the reasons. But, in 50 years, any coin from today that is still in circulation will be worn so smooth as to be unrecognizable. Look at coins like Barber quarters in G to VG condition - now imagine that same amount of wear on a State Quarter.
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 Posted 08/03/2010  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you're right about the low relief, but in 50 years I think inflation will keep the cent and the nickel out of circulation. Maybe the dime too. What will cost less than $1 in 2060? The low value coins don't circulate enough now to wear out (compare a LWC find from the teens with one from the 30s), let a lone 50 years from now.
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 Posted 08/03/2010  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justndav1976 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect Kennedy halves right now, and that is a pretty easy set to put together at a fair price. I have a lot of the halves now minus a few from the 80s and a few of the silver ones from the 90s. I just picked up a PF70 silver kennedy halve 1995 and 2006- beautiful coins for PF70 of course. I have all the halves from the 60s and 70s but only bought the highest/best possible examples I could find. I want the best since its a fairly easy set to complete. After I get those completed I haven't really decided what to move on to next, perhaps the Lincoln Memorial cent.
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