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Are Presidential Dollars Over?

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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add legend to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
BBC reported that there are billions of warehoused Presidential dollars, wasting in US Vaults. Enough to make a pile to the space station. It gives me pause when thinking how collectible these are, and looks a lot like the baseball card glut created in the 1990's by UpperDeck and others. It would seem that unless the designs begin to be changed with some frequency, a set of these will be available for a pittance for many years. Maybe if they redesign the reverse with each issue would enough collectors jump in to rescue this stagnating run of "nonismatic" coins.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think changing the reverve would do much because the obverse is already different for every coin. It just comes down to dollar coins just not working and not circulating very well. People would rather carry a paper dollar. Some collectors get them and put together sets and such but without them circulating much (or at all in some places) there will just be tons of non-used coins that have to go somewhere (and that is the vaults). Lots of people don't know they are still being produced and will never see one in circulation.
Unless they take away the paper dollar or do something else, they should drastically reduce the numbers minted for the future presidents and just think of them like the Kennedy halves....NIFC and the mint can still make decent money off UNC and proofs and the government does't have to store tons of coins nobody uses.
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Maybe if they redesign the reverse with each issue would enough collectors jump in


Are you smoking something now? Just kidding...

I don't think it changing the reverse would make any difference. One side of the coin already changes, and it isn't going to catch on as a coin unless the dollar bill goes away.

Few things that may hold collectors back:

1) can't find them in circulation (back to the dollar bill). On top of that, the banks don't get every president.

2) if you did find them in circulation, odds are they would look horrible. The plating goes downhill *fast*.

3) if you were to buy an album now, the pages would probably not be correct...as the presidents at the end of the series have not been determined yet. Yes, and update page would be available later, but more hassle.

4) do you collect both Philly and Denver? The mint marks aren't visible in an album, so there is a "hmmmm" factor there.


I'm putting a little effort into putting together a set. Why? Just because.

That's my two Presidential dollars on the issue.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too am collecting at least one of each president, just because I like presidential history and the coins show each president, but I am planning on getting the Dansco that has 1 coin each (not P&D) because I only really want one of each coin and the mint mark is on the side and thus wont' be visible in an album
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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On top of that, the banks don't get every president.

Actually, "my" bank has gotten each and every "D" mint Presidential dollar roll that has come out. I assume for their customers, and because all banks can request them.
They do NOT do this, however, for the Native Dollars.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Space, that's probably where I'll end up doing. I would like to have an album with one business strike and one proof of each President...without having to alter the labeling.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll collect the dollars because it is something to do for 10 years. But I'm not paying more than $2 for each one and have up to this point paid anywhere from $0.99 to $1.71. That is worth it to me for my collecting interests. I assume they will be worth $1 in 50 years assuming we haven't had a currency conversion. However, my guess is that dollar will buy about $0.25 worth at today's prices
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 Posted 08/12/2010  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the amounts that are minted I don't think they will be worth any more than a dollar, maybe less but never more.
However, as a collector I think we should help our government by purchasing the $1 direct shipment the Mint offers and spend them.
Getting them into circulation just may get someone into the hobby of collecting.
I find it fun to watch the cashier's face as I pay in one dollar coins!
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The one dollar note will eventually go away. It might not be a popular decision, but it will happen when Congress realizes the money they can save (and by save, I mean redirect to some other lost cause).

I can almost guarantee that the legislation will be buried in some other piece if legislation so that it happens with little public debate.

These "stockpiles" are a good thing. The more they grow, the better; because one argument is that there are not enough coins to replace all of the existing dollar notes. The coins are not "rotting away" in these vaults. Even if it means waiting twenty years, they will still "spend the same" (although maybe they will buy less than it would now).

As for my collector take, I am putting my proofs in a date only Dansco. If and when the start circulating normally, I might finish my now abandoned circulation set.
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I think the prez $'s are the most hideous thing the Mint has put out thus far. I would like to see them circulate though. $25 worth of those things fit in my pockets better than 25 one dollar bills fit in my wallet.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Supposedly they circulate OK in other countries that use US currency...like Ecuador.

I am filling a dansco album of circulated speciments...I kind of like them, but not enough to pay over face value. Something kind of neat about the history lesson in having one of every prez.

I buy a roll every now and again at the bank and spend any I don't need. I rather like the dollar coin, if I use it in a vending machine I don't have to worry if it's wrinkled or whatnot. Also there's something about spending 1 coin I've already looked at and getting several others back which I haven't.

I find it interesting to spend them... half of the cashiers don't blink an eye, the remainder are split between "what the heck is that?" "Wow that's cool I've never seen one of those before" and "ugh, why do they have to spend that? I don't have a spot in my drawer for that."

The other day I made a purchase for $1.30-something, gave a dollar and a half dollar, caused quite a stir with the cashier hollering to her coworker as I was leaving "hey, look what this guy just gave me!"
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 Posted 08/12/2010  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deltron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's a bank in my area that a lot of collectors hit, so they regularly order Dollar rolls and Half rolls. I try to grab a roll of each president they have on hand when I drop in. So far I've only got three, but I just found out about this source.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a reminder: If you order from the Mint, order from the $1 direct link. You get 250 dollars for $250 and the Mint pays shipping.
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However, as a collector I think we should help our government by purchasing the $1 direct shipment the Mint offers and spend them.

Will help but not much because you get them from the Mint, you spend them, they get sent back to the bank, and the bank sends them back to the Fed where they sit. The Fed hasn't been ordering them from the Mint because they are already overloaded. They only order enough new one each time to satisfy the banks that get each new issue for the collectors. Then those come bak from the banks too. All the direct ship really does is makes them pile up at the Fed faster.
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Look, here's the problem, the way I see it:

First, our currency these days is too concrete. Not abstract enough. Presidents and monuments. Boring. Our currency of the past used to have so much more spirit to it. What happened to all that meaning and aesthetic beauty? The Presidential dollars are symbolic of this -- many featuring Presidents that were against ever having themselves on coins, because it struck them as too much like something the monarchies of the world would do.

Second, a good dollar coin would bring back precious metal, even in a small amount. Why not just do a dollar coin in copper coated in a gram's worth of silver? That's about a buck, and the coins would be worth something then. Just a coating would be fine. Something to make money feel like real money again. Then you gain the portability of a smaller coin, too.

For example, imagine a dollar coin the size of a nickel with a silver cladding. I'd carry that in a second. Instead, we get these bloated coins with crappy metal in them. Smaller is better and will adequately compete with the convenience of the dollar.

If everyone out there in Government is listening, I propose the obverse of the first coin to feature Lady Liberty standing astride a mountain, and the reverse an American Eagle flying into the sunlight, hinting at a Phoenix rising from the old.
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Conder101,what you say maybe true, but by spending them you get the public familiar with the coin and when we stop printing one dollar bills the coins will have a foot hold in public use.
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