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I am not sure if anyone can help without any pics and I know some are not list able but am pointing them out if anyone has seen anything like it. What's interesting about this coin is that the "obverse" clashes are more prominent than the reverse. Here we go.
Normal Date, O shifted left and upright (straight), may be low.
Clashing on lips very prominent (nice spikes going on with lower and upper lip), however the corresponding clash on reverse wreath is light or non existent (hope I am saying this correctly).
Clashed "n" on neck - note - rather high - at the point of neck and chin intersection
Faint chip or clash back of cap - NOTE - this is at the lower end of the cap
Die chip inside of nostril?
U S T clash area - not sure if it's a faint clash or chip.
Faint die crack though the top of "B" (stop) and "US" (stop) - 2 separate cracks (pluribus)
Reverse - faint clash on wing (between "N" and "G" almost centered) and right wreath (when viewing)
The ear very well could hold the clue - May be doubled inside and or doubled or tripled "ear lobe" lower portion. I just cannot figure the ear thing out and struggle with it. BUT this coin has a well defined ear for an "O" and Looks to have polishing lines / scratches inside the ear as well.
If someone knows of a link at VW or have pics for doubled and tripled high res images of the ear please post. The pics I have seen are so so. Thanks.
If you have read so far - Thank you for taking the time and being patient with moi.
Peace
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anything like this in the ear?  |
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Gene, The ear looks closer to 1F / 44 with something else going on, but I cannot figure out the "e" in the hair locks and the lobe. I highly doubt it's the clashed "E" unless phantom clashed "E"'s have been reported. VAM 44 -I can see the doubling not sure about the triple and the crossbar at 1. Do you know if 44 has clashing which is not listed on VW? Thanks If I do not sort this out by the weekend I am setting it aside. Peace |
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I did some preliminary looking at this year, and ended up with a decent headache.  One comment I would make, Ceylon62, is to ask that you reevaluate the clashed "n." Even if die rotation could put the "n" that high, which I don't think it could, the location of all the other obverse clashing would then be thrown off by the same distance. The lip clashing wouldn't be there. |
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David, Could it be a clashed "G" that I am referring to? and would that make sense for the placement of the other clashes I mention. Thanks
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actually a clashed "G" coin is due to the rotation of the clash, it is above the neck line about 1/4 of an inch into the lower jaw line past the jaw/neck area....as you post no photo's look at VAM World 1904-0, VAM 2A and 32 "G" clashed vams..If your neck clash is there then you on the right path for a G clash....If not,, get to the library and scan some pictures some where so we can see the culprit! let us know what you find......Gene |
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just a note here...any REV wing clash that is between the N and G is a rotation , I haven't had the time to find out what that is,,,but for 1883-0 there is no G clash listed....get some scans...
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Got this from VW the other day lost the link and found it again. Attached is the link and photo from VW on what my neck clash looks like. The other pics in this link do NOT pertain to my coin. The purple line is general area and circle type effect is how my clash looks like almost line a "9". What is it? http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/24384623Any idea of what became of the coin in this link?  I brought up the "g" clash as I had seen something similar to mine over on VW. Gene, Thanks for point out that it's due to rotation and David for me to revisit this coin. Edited by Ceylon62
08/23/2010 06:53 am
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Sorry, I can't provide any 'guidance' Ceylon, and I hope that you don't mind my novice comments, but I didn't want this thread to get buried under the flaming threads of nonsense, never to get the proper attention that it deserves. I'm not so sure that I would jump on the clash train on this one, I am not familiar with letter clashes like the other guys here, but that is neither an N or a G, or any of the other letters in IGWT. I would be more inclined to call that stuff in the photo 'die scratches'.  I actually read the posts on the thread, and see that the right people didn't respond. Anyway, in the picture below, the OP was also interested in the stuff between the denticles. This triggered a memory from an earlier designation letter that referred to this stuff as "shiny" (another word used to explain something) (such as "ovaloid" was used to explain something else that was mysterious). We all know what this "shiny" really is and why it is there don't we? (No it wasn't metallic glue used to hold the denticles together).  Edited to add: As I recall, the stuff that was referred to as "shiny" (on a discovery coin maybe a year ago), extended out and around some of the denticles, but the nomenclature is the same.   Edited by zeewool
08/24/2010 08:55 am
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It is VERY difficult to attribute without pictures. I know that is probably not the answer you want, but without pics we are in a dark room without lights. Do you even have a cheap digital camera? How about a scanner? either could probably create a photo that would help us attribute your coin. However I can assure you, it is not a 9.
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I have to agree with Zee, the picture is suspect...I followed it postings to no future assessments, meaning not sent into LVA, and further more with the know clashes for the position of the clashing just above the JAWLINE... that much of a G clash is TOO far past the neck...A true G clash as shown by many years(I have a few) does not stick out so far...a normal portion of the top of the "G" shows little of it self beyond the neck... your example shows an "extreme" amount of the G clash so the wing clash at the neck should be well beyond the neck/jawline.....STILL PICTURES are required to help you.......not guesses..
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The shape of the thing in the red box is not at all similar to the shape of the G in God, or any other letter in IGWT, (and that in itself eliminates a letter clash doesn't it)? What else could this be if not a clash?
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Ooops.....I just read Ceylon's last post, I had previously thought that the mark was the same except with a bit more added on to it. My mistake, sorry.
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I'm guessing the thing in the red box is the result of a foreign-object strike on the die. I say this because it has a hairlike quality to it - with a clash you wouldn't be able to see both sides of the line, so to speak.
It is conceivable that consecutive clashes, slightly offset, might cause such an effect. The inside of the G in God might be a candidate to produce such a shape.
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The "ovaloid shape is consistant if you take away the other crap in the way,, yet its position is in question...notice his posted picture.. mind you its not his coin...ye the wing clash at the neck and the amount of G shown are not consistant on the G clashed coins on VW here is an 04-0 G clash, not the wing clash is left of the jaw line and little of the G is shown...  This computer is killing me! But see this pic.. and the normal position of the "G" clash for this rotation. |
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