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 Posted 09/11/2010  12:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Well I have been exposed to counterfeit commemoratives on the Internet. The coins were the Isabella Quarter, the Lafayette dollar and one 1883 Hawaiian dollar. All these were determined to be counterfeit by their weight, then verified by comparison. Believe it or not the U.S. Mail got involved and there is a chance that We might get our money back. A cheap digital gram/gn.oz. dwt. scale is now being used to verify coins upon receipt. These coins are being sold out of China to unscrupulous American sellers to be distributed to unsuspecting buyers. Keep alert!
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 Posted 09/11/2010  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oober to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw a Chinese seller selling all 3 of these, I promptly reported them. Sorry to hear of your dilema.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dkillett to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to see this happen to anyone. I would like to think this will stop at some point, but unfortunately many people will get taken by these Chinese fakers before it does.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add big777bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has been going on for years and it's getting worse as time goes on.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's been going on since Archimedes time.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We will be getting our money back but the seller said he did not know their was anything wrong with the coins. The Postal inspectors confiscated the coins and told the seller regardless if he is first,second or third party he is legally responsible for his actions. He is cooperating with their investigation. We have to sign a release/hold harmless agreement which is to say that what has occurred is a non event.
Yes this type of operation has been been going on a long time and will continue. When it becomes personnel you realize, because your ambition to succeed, played a part and enabled the scam to affect more people. We have to be on guard always.
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 Posted 09/13/2010  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mtm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to hear you're getting your money back. Have to be very wary of who you buy from.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only thru networking and forums like this will people realize that unscrupulous buyers and sellers are only interested in making money. The seller that we bought from said he was unaware that the coins were counterfeit. He told me even though he made restitution with the people he sold the coins, there are serious legal issues that he will need legal representation which is very costly. We are very lucky that the coins came to us by mail. That is the reason we got our money back. Postal Inspectors got involved and since the mail was used to convey counterfeit U.S. Currency it is a crime. Had we bought the coins from a store or individual we would have to deal with them. In any event the coins would have to be destroyed. There is no legal way to possess counterfeit coins. Yes I feel very fortunate that we got our money back.
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 Posted 09/15/2010  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please be aware that a seller from above the lower 48 has some very suspicious looking 1900 Lafayette and 1883 Hawaiian dollars. Reported to ebay. Ends in 6 hours. Please keep seller in mind.
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 Posted 09/15/2010  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well hopefully no one bids on them. ebay was notified. I wish I saw them sooner. This really is very bad scene for all of us.
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 Posted 09/15/2010  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They use private auctions to mask there scam. The buyers only hope is that ebay security or if they use the US POSTAL service there a chance for a refund or return of your funds. We need to be actively finding these unscrupulous sellers and add them to the no buy list on another thread. I never realized that this type of counterfeiting was going on. I was told that once a die was made or a casting depending on the quantity of silver (if any) added, the cost to produce a coin was less than .09 cents in quantity. Postal Service estimate. This type of operation is very profitable and harder to police than bills. These *###* are targeting us. We need to do something to protect ourselves. What can we do?
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 Posted 09/15/2010  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
reported them as well.

Listing Violations > Prohibited (banned items) > Currency, Coins, Stamps, Coupons, etc. > Fraudulently or improperly described currency

Item Numbers(s):
160481364781

Message: All the coins the seller has listed, in my professional opinion are clearly Chinese counterfeit.
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 Posted 09/15/2010  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for concurring Wheezy that they are fakes. I listed all there auctions and reported it to ebay. I thought ebay would remove them right away but they haven't as yet. I need to calm down this has really caused my blood to boil. ebay's question, How do you know they are fakes? There is ebay's guarantee of a refund if not as described. This only gets worse. Is there any hope for an HONEST person.
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 Posted 09/20/2010  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are are some peculiar Lafayette's on ebay!!!! Beware !!!
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 Posted 12/23/2010  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's good to hear that at the very least a little something was done to hold a seller of fake coins' feet to the fire. I learned quickly, when buying off the internet (especially ebay)to A) NEVER buy ANYTHING from China. And B) Always compare photos of a known legitimate coin to one you are contemplating buying. Most of the time the fakes just look 'off.'
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