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Sap Needs Help! | Madras Presidency Fanam

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I was in my local coin dealer a few weeks ago, and he showed me a coin he was having trouble identifying. I couldn't identify it at first glance, either, but in my hubris I offered to take it home and identify it for him. "Shouldn't be to hard", I thought.

Boy, was I was wrong.

Here's the coin in question:

Sap-Needs-Help!-|-Madras-Presidency-Fanam

The scale is in millimetres, giving the size. It's a tiny little thing, only 10mm by 9mm across and very thick, as you can probably tell from the scans. I don't have a weight yet, but hope to have one on Monday when I take it to work. It's presumably made of silver.

One side, which I shall somewhat arbitrarily label the "obverse", depicts... I don't know. My best guess is a headless human figure of some sort, and that's the way I've oriented it, because I can't see anything recognizable no matter which way I turn it.

The other side has two circular arcs crossing to make a flattened X or curved K shape. It's reasonable to assume that this may be just part of the intended design and there are some missing arcs which would create a trilobe or triple-circle pattern. I think I can see a faint remnant of a letter between the arcs at the top of the picture, but I may just be imagining that.

My dealer friend's best guess was Celtic or Anglo-Saxon, but it looks too thick for that to me.

The "standing figure" may be a very degenerated Sassanian fire-altar attendant, but I looked through zeno.ru at all their post-Sassanian Indian types and found nothing remotely resembling this.

My second guess was later Indian states, something like the fanam listed in this thread only less stylized. But again, I couldn't find anything that bore more than a superficial resemblance, nothing convincing.

So, after having it sit there on my computer keyboard for several weeks taunting me, it's time to admit the truth. I'm stuck.

Help?

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 Posted 09/18/2010  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Madras Fanam (I think (depends on weight)) KM#307 ND (1760-1807)
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That was a tough one to find. Either 1 or 2 Fanam depending on the weight. Nice job finding this one andyg.
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That's absolutely brilliant. Many thanks - it would probably have been a long time before I'd have thought to look through British India for this piece.

Comparing the pics in Krause, I'm leaning more towards the 2 fanam, but I'll know for sure once I get a weight.

Thanks again!
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No kidding! Sap has been more than helpful to me with some of my ancients so I would just like to say thank you Sap
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That's a water pipe. The other side could be depicting its hoses looping around the coin. My guess would've been Turkish, Egyptian, Morrocan...
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Sorry for the delay, I only got around to weighing it just now. It's 1.76 grams, which puts it in the late double-fanam category. I found it's headless twin on zeno.ru.
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yea pretty much... No one bats 1.000, but .999 is impressive still.
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That's fantastic! Thank you andyg. =)
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