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1861 Halfcrown

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 Posted 09/25/2010  2:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add argentumandcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Latest addition to my own collection.

Still debated over by experts as to whether genuine mint issues, forgeries from 1890's or the work of mint employees from old dies after the change in 1887.
Weighs just shy of 13gms.

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 Posted 09/26/2010  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never seen one of these in better than "Good" condition, which I always find odd...
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 Posted 10/01/2010  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Still debated over by experts as to whether genuine mint issues, forgeries from 1890's or the work of mint employees from old dies after the change in 1887.


Fascinating.....I know nothing of this coin, but would love to hear more of it and the rationale for the debate. (Please).
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 Posted 10/02/2010  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haven't seen one of them for a while, this is a very very good addition, I envy you, argentumandcoins.
Congrats.
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The theory regarding 1890's forgeries is the official line from The Royal Mint. They are apparently only 0.915 fineness instead of 0.925 and weigh slightly light (mine is just under 13gms). Other 1861 examples have surfaced and been sold (one at £600 in a London auction). All are the same low grade.
Other dates that do not exist according to Royal Mint records have turned up over the years (1862, 66, 68 and 71).
I am sending mine away for authentication and will be interested to see what the silver content is.
The purpose of forging seems a bit unclear to me. To use 0.915 fineness and skim 1.2gms from the weight would seem a pointless exercise i.e. you would have to produce almost 13 forgeries to make a halfcrown profit. In a modern largescale counterfeiting operation that would be no problem but back in the late Victorian period?
The other thing that is puzzling is why are so few in existence? To make it worthwile cutting dies the forger would have to have produced thousands of coins. Where are they and why is there no record of their removal from circulation if they entered it?

Intriguing episode in Victorain coinage history!
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Highly interesting....Causes a person to wonder (even to question the accuracy of The Royal Mint. Thanks very much for the explanation argentum. I love stuff like this.
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You can further question their accuracy in so much as they have apparently already authenticated one 1868 example as a genuine mint production, giving the owner a letter stating as much?
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 Posted 10/02/2010  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would love to read the authentication letter.

('Although none were minted in that year, we certify yours as being genuine').




Everywhere a person looks, life is just full of contradictions isn't it?

Thanks Buddy
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I don't believe there is much of a debate amongst experts nowadays. Fake! I am quite sure that Steve Hill would concur, amongst others...
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Interesting coin and history that goes with it.
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Yes, fake.
I see though, someone paid £200 + juice for this last year.
http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=...searchtype=1
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