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1857 Flying Eagle Mint Error?

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I have this 1857 Flying Eagle cent and I believe it has a mint error. I have an idea of what it may be, but wanted to get some opinions of it before I say what I think it is. Here's a pic. The error begins at about 8:30 and runs through the tip of the left wing and into the "S" in states. Do you think this is an actual mint error or some after the fact damage?

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 Posted 09/28/2010  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to see everything from the pic, but I suspect a planchet defect, and not a die break.
Planchet defects are fairly common in 1857 FEs, and they often separate when they cross design features as you see here.
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I was thinking it was a lamination error. is that the same as a planchet defect?
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 Posted 09/28/2010  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yep, same thing.
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I concur 100%. Interesting even if it doesn't add value to the coin.
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In your opinion would it take away value?
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Some people wouldn't pay anything for it. Others would pay normal price. And people like me, would pay extra. Most would pay normal price.
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I sold a nice 1857 FE variety a while back with a lamination error, and I don't think that affected collector's interest.
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In my experience ... On one hand you have to keep in mind this is a genuine mint error on a really old cent. In actuality, the earliest mint error on a US small cent. Only a few people can afford or have the patience to collect off center cents from this era, which is essentially a life-long quest to get a whole year set of these significant errors. Even a 5 or 10% off center Flying Eagle can approach $400 in the lowest grade. So, people can have inexpensive error coin by collecting laminations. I personally see laminations as a defect, or more accurately, as an imperfection in the coin. I would personally prefer a coin to be problem-free and flawless than one with a lamination. However, these two things (on the one hand having a genuine mint error on a really old coin and having an imperfection on a coin) balance each other out so there is generally no net increase or decrease in value. HOWEVER, you will see these coins at shows with HUGE price tags - trying to sucker a newbie into buying a very rare mint error from 1857 (which is true, they are technically one of a kind). I saw a Struck Through Grease flying eagle that was lacking details so much that you couldn't make out a date with an asking price of $300. Dealer quickly stated I could have it for $150. I quickly replied that it wasn't worth more than a flying eagle in AG condition to me, and he knew it. Although it was slabbed by NGC as a genuine mint error (even though they couldn't give it a grade on the slab). The bottom line is that even though there is a low supply, there is an even lower demand for these types of coins. That lets someone be really picky and choosy about these kinds of errors - you can pick up some really neat ones for a very low premium. But you're also dealing with ebay, where a whole lot of clueless people drive up the price on a whole lot of nothing.

Just my Two Cents.
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It's lamination as stated.
Lamination is one type of error I particularly don't care for. I would not pay normal money for this coin however, some would pay a premium to have it in their error/FE collection. Just depends on the collector. Reverse pic?
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Here's the back as requested. There is a small section of corrosion of some sort. I'm not planing on selling it or anything like that, just was curious. Thanks for the info though, it's been really helpful.

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