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USSR 1924 Clad?

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 Posted 10/26/2010  01:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a 1924 USSR coin, I think its a Ruble, looks real, but part of it's rim edge on top of Obverse is "peeled" off, I dont know the exact word to describe it, but it looks like its a clad coin?

anyway pictures show it best, here they are, your comments on why this is so, most appreciated... thanks!



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That looks like an excellent plated forgery to me. I would not have picked it unless the plating had failed. I must compliment you on your photography. It is certainly adequate for the job.

What does it weigh? Also, what is the colour of the metal underneath where it has peeled? Scratch the substrate metal under the plating, and see what colour is revealed.
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I'd want to see more, and also know its weight, before I'd write it off as a forgery or clad. I concur with sel_691, what is the color underneath...? (though I wouldn't recommend scratching it) If it is clad, or made from another base metal, it should be rather obvious.
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You could dig it with a sharp point under where the 'plating' has lifted.
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Well it's supposed to be silver. Two varieties of that design the difference being the lettering around the edge. One of them is rare and the catalog doesn't even give a value. If it looks like there's any other kind of metal beneath then it's a fake. I don't know if silver coins peel.
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IMO the coin appears to be real. It looks like a lamination error that someone messed with and lifted it away from the edge.
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I concur with echizento - my initial suspicion.
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It is possible to my thinking that it could be a local lamination failure, and for that reason I would include that explanation in my list of possibilities. I have a few errors of the lamination failure type, but all of the ones I have, are failures across the whole coin. Perhaps in this case, if it were a lamination failure, it may have been caused by a local impurity.

The laminination error coins I have suggest that the strip from which the blanks were cut was rolled at inconsistent temperatures, or impurities in the metal, hence the possibility of failure of the coin into two halves, one with the obverse, and one with the reverse.
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Thank you all, just got back so havent poked or scratched any under the "peel", it also looks like a silver sheen to it underneath but will do some scratching and get back.

It looks original and my first impression was a diecrack that ultimately failed and cracked off or the coin is a clad coin

so I posted it, if the official coin production is not silver then I dont know how to proceed any further to find out if its fake or real, any suggestions appreciated Thanks!
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