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Rest in Peace
Philippines
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Hello all, I'm new to this forum and admittedly isn't into collecting coins. I'm here though to gain some knowledge on how to better help my father who is wanting to sell his coin collection. Of which a mojority of is from his father who was the former Vice-President and co-founder of the Philippine Numismatic and Philathelic Society. I really don't know how to start here and the best I've done elsewhere is to do net searches and ebay but still came out empty, on info, on most of his coin's history. I'm sure that I'm just plain old dumb when it comes to coins. As an example, I can't find any web info on a tiny, about 10mm diameter gold 1857 Indian head coin that has a star and the words "California Gold" in the back. What is it? I've also looked for info on a "1791 Carol IIII D G HISP ET IND R" and back side is "UTRO Q FELIX AUSPICE DEO NI P SF and 8 S on the sides of the coat-of-arms. NO info or just don't know the right search terms. So many others but I really don't want to clutter up your respectable board. Just searching for some help, thank you. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Rest in Peace
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Hi Jayson, Thank you for the response. With regards to the link, everything is the same except for the indian. The nose profile is different and the band at the headgear is too. I noticed that most here are purely US coins collectors. Being in the Philippines, most of my grandfather's coins are Spanish gold and silver (from the 1400s to 1800s). Can you point me to the diection of who to ask about these? The only US gold coins that he has are a 1883 $20, an 1898 $10, an 1897 $5 and some silvers that we still need to sort through. |
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There is FAR more than U.S. collectors here!!! The problem with gold coins is the mere fact they need to be seen (photos) to have some idea of condition (grade) and then authenticated. Lots of gold coins were counterfeited so many collectors shy away from gold that has not been graded by a third party grading service as this guarantees their authenticity. If you have the coins you have described ebay would probably be your best bet as you will have a world wide audience to bid on your items. Good luck with your endeavor. |
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Ah, now I understand the difficulty with gold coins, thank you. I guess I'll just have to make a trip back home, am a US National, and get these coins graded. Aside from that, I did find a site that sells one of the gold 8 Escudos for nearly $16k and the 1400s Ferdin y Isabel for $7.7K so I really need to find the best way to deal with this collection. I really wish that it was much easier.
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Hi edreyes. There are plenty of us non-US collectors around here. Some of us just keep odd hours.  Your Spanish gold one is an 8 escudos. "NI" is actually the start of the reverse inscription: "IN UTRO...". The mintmarks are the key to finding where in the Spanish Empire the coins were made. The combination "P/SF" mintmarks are attributed to the Popayan mint, in what is now Colombia. 1791 is actually a transition year; some coins have the inscription CAROL IV and the old Charles III portrait, others have CAROL IIII and the correct portrait. Your coin sounds like the latter type. It's listed in the Krause catalogues as Colombia, KM#62.2. Silver coins from this mint are scarce, but gold ones are relatively common. The value stated in Krause for 1791 P SF 8 escudos is $400 in VG, $625 in Fine, $800 in VF and $1000 in EF. Note that this catalogue was issued prior to the recent jump in the gold price, so actual retail vaues could be up to double these prices. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Originally posted by crystalk64
There is FAR more than U.S. collectors here!!! The problem with gold coins is the mere fact they need to be seen (photos) to have some idea of condition (grade) and then authenticated. Lots of gold coins were counterfeited so many collectors shy away from gold that has not been graded by a third party grading service as this guarantees their authenticity. If you have the coins you have described ebay would probably be your best bet as you will have a world wide audience to bid on your items. Good luck with your endeavor.
Hi Terry, Here's a lousy photo that I can quickly come up with. I will try and have my friend help me get nice detail photos of each coin.  |
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Originally posted by Sap
Hi edreyes. There are plenty of us non-US collectors around here. Some of us just keep odd hours.
Your Spanish gold one is an 8 escudos. "NI" is actually the start of the reverse inscription: "IN UTRO...". The mintmarks are the key to finding where in the Spanish Empire the coins were made. The combination "P/SF" mintmarks are attributed to the Popayan mint, in what is now Colombia.
1791 is actually a transition year; some coins have the inscription CAROL IV and the old Charles III portrait, others have CAROL IIII and the correct portrait. Your coin sounds like the latter type. It's listed in the Krause catalogues as Colombia, KM#62.2.
Silver coins from this mint are scarce, but gold ones are relatively common. The value stated in Krause for 1791 P SF 8 escudos is $400 in VG, $625 in Fine, $800 in VF and $1000 in EF. Note that this catalogue was issued prior to the recent jump in the gold price, so actual retail vaues could be up to double these prices.
Hi Sap, Thank you for the information. I've been surfing the web since I first posted and looking for info for my father. It's really difficult being such a green horn in this with zero understanding of details of what I'm suppose to search for. Edwin Reyes www.edwinreyescues.com http://www.alpha-billiard.com/index02.html |
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Welcome to CC!  I would suggest taking individual photos that are large enough and clear enough to see details. If you have a macro setting on your camera, please use it. We have an expert here on counterfeit Spanish/Mexcian coins that will be able to help and lots of collectors from all over the world. We will be happy to help you with your identification.  |
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Ed, I went and blew up and brightened your pic a little bit. It is a little fuzzy but it should help a little bit. I know virtually nothing about gold coins either so I feel your pain.  Edited by Irishraider
08/26/2006 4:22 pm
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Welcome to CC!
I would suggest taking individual photos that are large enough and clear enough to see details. If you have a macro setting on your camera, please use it. We have an expert here on counterfeit Spanish/Mexcian coins that will be able to help and lots of collectors from all over the world. We will be happy to help you with your identification.
I definitely will Susan but not with this inadequate camera(Kodak CX7300) that I have. I now am also fully aware of the prolferation of counterfeits. I am aware of how serious that is as I have been a victim of such from time to time. Notice that I signed my last post with my full name and included my web addys. I make high-end collectible pool cues and do get counterfeited. I also included such info to let people know that I come in good faith. |
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Originally posted by Irishraider
Ed,
I went and blew up and brightened your pic a little bit. It is a little fuzzy but it should help a little bit. I know virtually nothing about gold coins either so I feel your pain.
The forum photo editing software downsizes it so I am providing a link here also:
http://members.cox.net/irishraider/goldcoins.jpg
Thank you so much. I will try and see if a friend with a more capable camera can make it a lot easier for us. I really do appreciate the effort, it was very nice of you to. Edwin Reyes Added info: These coins are part of Don Pio M. Reyes' collection. He co-founded the Philippine Numismatic Society so as to be able to keep US gold coins in his possesion during the American Occupation of the Philippines. Ownership and possesion of such here was outlawed by the US Government unless you keep them for coin collecting purposes. |
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Forum Mom
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That's very interesting, Ed. Bobby and I both shot pool for the APA for a long time (back when we had time). Sorry, I know this off the subject of coins, but hey...I'm the Mom!  |
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Originally posted by edreyes
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Welcome to CC!
I would suggest taking individual photos that are large enough and clear enough to see details. If you have a macro setting on your camera, please use it. We have an expert here on counterfeit Spanish/Mexcian coins that will be able to help and lots of collectors from all over the world. We will be happy to help you with your identification.
I definitely will Susan but not with this inadequate camera(Kodak CX7300) that I have. I now am also fully aware of the prolferation of counterfeits. I am aware of how serious that is as I have been a victim of such from time to time. Notice that I signed my last post with my full name and included my web addys. I make high-end collectible pool cues and do get counterfeited. I also included such info to let people know that I come in good faith.
Wow. I am floored. Edwin Reyes, collecting coins and posting at Coin Community. A little background: I have been shooting pool for 40 years. I own a few cues, nothing really fancy, but I know cues and I know who the real movers are in the cuemaking industry. Edwin Reyes is the real deal, a craftsman of the highest order and one of the two or three finest living cuemakers. His work is old-school, his cues completely handcrafted without use of complex machinery. He is one of the very few who may charge whatever he wishes for his work, because those who know, know that there is nothing finer to be had. For me, the dream of playing a Reyes cue is akin to the dream of owning an 1804 Dollar. I hope I don't sound like a gushing teenager here, but Edwin Reyes is one of a very few people, each generation, who can combine artistry and physical skill to produce something whose quality will undoubtedly stand the test of time. It's nice to have you among us, Edwin. Susan, I was an APA player and former Team Captain for 10 years, and left a few months ago when my work schedule shifted to a 4AM start. I wonder if there's a correlation between numismatics and billiards. |
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Off-topic pic:  This is the entertainment center I built - along the top are APA trophies my wife and I accumulated over the years. We've been to the Nationals twice, once in 8-ball and once in 9-ball. |
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Forum Dad
United States
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Hey Dave, I also have been to Vegas twice. What a sight, hundreds of pool tables set up in the Grand Ballroom. A literal sea of green.  My biggest thrill was coming within a 1/4 inch of beating Jeannette Lee in a rack of 8-ball.  It was at the regional quailfier at the Expo Center in Pennsauken NJ. You donate 20 bucks to charity and get to play a pro. They let you break. Well, I broke and ran down to the eight which was boxed in buy her balls on the rail so I played for a relatively easy bankshot. Missed it by a quarter inch. Of course, the black widow then proceeded to run the table in about 90 seconds.   I can however still say with confidence that I did throw out Mickey Rivers attemping to steal second.  |
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