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 Posted 11/19/2010  11:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add farknarker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Like everyone else, I want to get what I pay for and as a novice I'm wondering what might offer the best chance to do that? i.e. not getting ripped off or at least not ripped off too badly? I am leaning towards buying slabs only but I've read even these can be overgraded. What about unslabbed coins? Most of them seem to be cheaper. Does it all boil down to just finding a good reputable dealer? Bascially I guess I'm just asking what's the best way to start without getting taken to the cleaners. Primarily I'm interested in American silver eagles and the Morgan dollars. Thanks...
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 Posted 11/19/2010  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone very wise in this forum once said "Buy the coin, not the box around it"

In my opinion as long as the value of the coin is not high there is no need to get it slabbed or buy it slabbed unless you are getting it along with the slab for the book price. Yes, finding a good dealer or an experienced collector friend would help. Get a book on Morgan dollars and try to understand the coins grades, dates better. There is a PCGS application called "PhotoGrade" that has pictures of coins in every grade so you know what grade it is without being misled by dealers. Read, read, read there is nothing more powerful than knowledge when it comes to numismatics. I am a beginner too and every new post I read is a treasure trove of information.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the key is educating yourself. With all the information available, there is no real excuse not to.
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Yes,educate yourself. Buy the book before the coin. Study up on the coin you are interested in and learn to grade it. And above all,have fun.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. The biggest mistake new collectors make is buying a bunch of coins before understanding anything about coins, and then they complain and get upset about it, when they didn't even take the time to learn about how to grade and authenticate to a certain level of skill. Once you do that you won't have to buy only slabbed coins which isn't a very good idea in the first place if you're doing it to protect yourself from getting ripped off.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And stay away from Littleton Coin Company, HSN, Ads you see in non coin related magazines, as they are usually priced at nearly 2 times value or more. Local auctions can prove to be an opportunity to rake in some great coins at cheap prices, or you could see uneducated people (in numismatics that is)driver the prices up to ridiculously high levels because they think it is worth a fortune.

Learning to grade is as easy as downloading the PCGS Photograde app to your iPhone/iPod/iPad from iTunes. It is wonderful and easy to to use. I don't leave the house without it. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pcgs...7349339?mt=8

Like every one has said, read, learn, and buy the coin not the slab. A $15 coin is still only worth 15 bucks even if the slab costs another $15.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Syaoran_2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I agree. The biggest mistake new collectors make is buying a bunch of coins before understanding anything about coins, and then they complain and get upset about it, when they didn't even take the time to learn about how to grade and authenticate to a certain level of skill. Once you do that you won't have to buy only slabbed coins which isn't a very good idea in the first place if you're doing it to protect yourself from getting ripped off.


I wouldn't say that's a mistake. Buy what you're interested in, buy what makes you happy. If you like a coin because of its artwork, buy it. If you buy a coin because it features your favorite historical figure, buy it. If you get tired of those coins, you can always resell them. The way I collect, if I see a coin I like or don't currently have in my collection, and it's priced within my budget, I'll buy it and enjoy it. I don't care so much about grade, but I try to stay away from very poor condition coins; I like to see some details in the designs. Most of the time, the high grade coins of designs that I like are out of my price range, so I don't buy those coins. Right now I'm just buying coins of types that I don't have, for example I went to a coin show last weekend and bought a Mercury dime, two Barber dimes, an Indian Head penny, a Buffalo nickel, and a high grade Wheat penny. The dates weren't important to me; I bought all of them because they were something I didn't have in my collection. People collect in different ways, I happen to collect what I find interesting, regardless of rarity, condition, etc. Collect what interests you. As far as paying for it, pay what you're willing and can afford to pay.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add omahaorange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll second what Syaoran said. Buy what you like. Stay within your budget. It's not all about turning a quick profit, but making yourself happy. I don't ordinarily collect Comemorative coins, but will pick up ones that interest me and don't take a meal off the table. I actually bought the 1991 Eisenhower Commemorative simply to fit with my Ike collection, even though it's not part of the series.
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It does not come overnight. It takes time, diligence, and education. Study our grading forum. There is a great book out there: The PCGS Grading guide and Counterfeit Detection. Also, the photogrades are not too bad. It just takes practice and seeing thousands of coins, literally.
Like Tim said, do NOT buy anything from these clowns at HSN. Littleton is also cut out for beginners IMO. I've seen coins at HSN for 3-4 times over Greysheet.
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Old coins in the 1880``s and 1900``s is all about history enjoy yourself.
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I wouldn't say that's a mistake. Buy what you're interested in, buy what makes you happy.


I agree, I meant to say when new collectors buy coins that they know nothing about and when they find out they've gotten ripped off they get upset about it when doing a bit of research and reading would have benefited them greatly.
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 Posted 11/22/2010  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add monkeyman67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am noew to collecting too. I went to a dealer, who I am not so crazy aobut, but he gave me some good advbise. He sadi don't go out there like a gunslinger and buy up everything in site. He also said to buy the best coins that you can afford. Probably not bad advise.
I did a little gunslinging, it is easy when you go on ebay to buy stuff you don't need or even really want. Be patient and get what you like. You don't buy a collection overnight, you build one overtime.
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 Posted 11/23/2010  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add farknarker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the many thoughtful replies. I guess the main things I can take away from this is "buy the book" and "slow and go". Education. Going slowly is probably the kindest favor I can do for myself. Learn to grade. That's going to be a trick! But I can see where it's necessary. No one here seems overly committed to slabbed coins only which seems to say I can get some good buys on unslabbed as well IF I do my homework. That's fine. I was only leaning towards the slabbed as a safety net as a beginner. Gotta fess up though, I just bought my very first coin with no homework--proof American silver eagle from the US Mint. Maybe I paid too much for it but don't think the price will ever come down, at least in the forseeable future. But I'm not really interested in turning a quick profit or any profit at all. Just the enjoyment of being able to have some beautiful coins.

Thanks for the warnings on dealers to stay away from.

James
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 Posted 12/03/2010  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maheshmahesh1984 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,I am a starter. I have a question. I have seen some coins on ebay that are made of Alloy with Silver. Are these coins made of silver? How much they worth?

Thanks,
Mahesh
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 Posted 12/05/2010  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We'll need a little more information. Technically, all coins with any silver are "alloy" since they all contain at least a certain percentage of copper (with the exception of bullion American silver eages, which are over 99.9% pure). You're most like referring to earlier date JFK 50c pieces and Eisenhower dollars which are 40% silver, 60% copper and nickel.
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Thanks Matt. It is given as 'Alloy with Silver' in the coin description. That's the only information I have.
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