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Bedrock of the Community
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OK this is a main topic on another forum where a resepcted forum member (over on the other forum) has been doctoring coins while still in the PCGS old clacker holder. These coins were not taken out and doctored they were doctored while still in the slab. The pictures here are 3 months apart, ebay seller/buyer manofcoins bought the coin blast white and 3 months later it showed back up on ebay toned, he now admits to doing this for some time (on the other forum) and I wanted everyone to be aware that just because the coin is toned and slabbed doesn't mean its NT. It could have been in a clacker slab and resubmitted for reholdering and be in a new style holder and still be AT, and if cracked out and resubmitted be BodyBagged for AT which is Super Scary if you are into toned coins so all I can say is be aware that you may be taken for a ride when you pay these high premiums for toned coins, and as long as you keep doing so these people will keep doctoring the coins. All that being said, here are the before and after pictures. remember this is only 3 months apart BEFORE 3 MONTHS LATER And for those who like to see the actual auctions themself here is the before auction and after auctionBeforeAfterEdited by Bryan1315
08/29/2006 10:58 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the heads up. I for one am not into toned coins but I know a lot of people are. Did the guy say how he toned this coin in the clacker case?
Tim
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Bedrock of the Community
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no and I hope he doesn't, if he does it will just make more and more people doing it to make the quick buck
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Pillar of the Community
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Well he didn't make a quick buck. Are you surprised no one bid?
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Pillar of the Community
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Personally, there are some toned coins that are very attractive to me IF they are toned naturally. For some reason this one doesn't look natural and the toning is not attractive. The coin was much better in it's "original" state. Thanks for sharing Bryan!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Texasmick its because he got caught and pulled the auction not because he wanted to, look at his feedback from "buyers" all the coins in the old clacker holders are toned and in the same way, all AT and all sold at a nice premium
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Bedrock of the Community
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The only reason there were no bids in this case is because he was called out in a public forum because someone peiced the before and after pictures together and noticed it was 3 months apart so manofcoins pulled all of his auctions (which he had 13 or so in OGH and all were toned)
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Bedrock of the Community
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the point that is scary is people see it in a PCGS holder and think this was toned when it was placed inside the slab and this is proof that is not always the c ASE |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I made a mistake, it was not 3 months it was 3 weeks between purchase toned and back on ebay |
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Pillar of the Community
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Is it just me, or is has the coin been rotated in the holder in the span that it was AT'd? Thanks for the heads up bryan!
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Bedrock of the Community
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well a clacker holder the coin freely spins in the holder, that is why they are called clacker holders because trhe coin clacks inside the slab and it will rotate in the slab as well
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Pillar of the Community
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 That's disgusting. I would have paid more for the first coin than the colorized version. Thanks Bryan. |
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I have followed the posts at the NGC forums, and the guy has apologized and said he will get out of the coin business. Good riddance to him is all I can say. He was a RESPECTED member on the NGC forums and has more or less ruined his reputation. If ya cheat, sooner or later you gonna get caught. MM  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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He was a respected member of CU forums as well and there is 20 something pages so far about him because he was a trusted individual of the community and for him to do such a thing for a dollar or two just amazes people because respect takes a while to earn and to just throw it away over something like this is just stupid. He probably would have gotten away with it, he usually doesn't show the whole serial number on the slab (more focuses on the coin, just lets you see part of the numbers) but this time he showed the whole slab and someone checked his past purchases and matched the coins together. The bad part about it is when he got called on it, he lied and said he trades coins with a old dealer guy near him, where he trades blast white coins for toned coins and he may have traded him the coin white and 3 weeks later traded another white coin for it toned, then the next day he admitted to doing it himself and him being the only one involved with no dealer man existing. The only reason I am telling people here is because I want people to be aware that just because its in a PCGS slab doesn't mean its NT because it could have been in a old slab and been AT and then sent for reholdering (and we all know PCGS or any TPG doesn't really look at coins when they come in for reholdering, they just slap them in new plastic and ship them out, unless they were sent in for review). The one thing that really bothers me is if someone were to crack these coins out of the PCGS holders (in hopes of a upgrade) PCGS would send them back to the owner in a body bag for AT Edited by Bryan1315
08/29/2006 1:03 pm
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This is a slightly off-topic, but this entire saga over there at CU illustrates why I'm never going to consider myself a "part" of that community - the degree of hogpiling those folks exhibit rivals anything I ever saw on a playground. Some of these people regularly spend six-figure sums of money on single coins, and they act with a level of maturity which wouldn't be tolerated at my dinner table.
There's a lot of information to be had there, but not much fellowship.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I definitely agree SuperDave, the only reason I even brought it over to this forum is because I know allot of people do not go there or to the NGC boards and I thought it was something that the people that buy specifically toned coins should be aware of
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