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Pillar of the Community
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Although I completely agree with just about all of what you just said Dave, I don't agree with this: Quote:At what level of learning does your knowledge about VAM's become sufficient to give you a voice which deserves to carry weight? More importantly, how do we know what your knowledge level is? Now, I am hoping that you are not taking this in the wrong light Mike, because I have no doubt whatsoever that Dave was not referring to "you' and "your" to you personally, but rather as a hypothetical response to anyone who may wish to be considered as qualified to carry a weighted voice. I think that each and everyone should carry an equal voice, lest it all be compared to the Electoral College that trumps the voice of the people, because our founding fathers did not consider the average citizen to possess knowledge sufficient to make an intelligent decision on who should be the next President. Your status as an expert on the 1921 Morgan is based on the perceptions of the rest of us, given your level of experience and the knowledge of these varieties that radiates from you....I really don't care what Joe Blow at the other site thinks about your level of expertise with this date...in my eyes, you have no equal.... I can think of others who I feel have similar levels of expertise on other years, and I think that you have your own perceptions of year experts as well, but there is a very good possibility that our picks on who is the top 1878 person (for instance) might differ. Here is my point, should your pick (of whose level of expertise is greater) hold more validity than mine? For what reason? Just as we all have differing levels of experience and knowledge, our perceptions are based on our experiences with these folks whose motives, character, abilities, and personalities we judge as individuals....I'll tell you this, some of the forerunners (in the campaign that may or may not transpire), I would not consider fit to even post on a forum, much less sit on a panel of decision makers....this is due to both some very nasty emails received from these folks as well as their arrogant preaching of ignorant nonsense that they attempt to project into the minds of those who believe that they really are experts. I will have no voice, no vote in any of this, but I would rather that my own personal choice, rather than my lowly ranking in the greater pecking order.
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Pillar of the Community
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This is all good conversation, I would also add that people who feel they are entitled to things, are just that, WHAT THEY think, not what is necessarily the resulting facts.
I am NOT aware of any one passing the torch, if you will, because the torch recipient believes "they" should be the obvious choice....
I learned long ago ANYONE who lets everyone know, they are an expert, RUN, as fast as you can, in the other direction, and if they make statements about anything having to do with being "the logical choice", run even faster...... I can almost smell the power seeking authorities, burning the effort to have this go their way! I know plenty of "experts" at what they do, and NEVER ever, heard them say any such thing. I have seen people use this term very loosely and would wonder, just what are they an expert in, because from what I see, I do NOT see anything that comes close, I read a lot about people who deserve to take the reigns, who else would be the logical choice, LVA has been approached delicately, and so on, bottom line, No one, No site, No volunteers, No organization run by people who have an entitlement sense about this topic, IMO, should Never be allowed to "discuss" the topic, with out the Founder himself present and voicing his wishes for ALL to hear and abide by, with all due respect......I will admit I think the idea about locking down Mr VA'S "Baby" is a sound idea, provided He wishes exactly that!
This topic is certainly getting some attention and comments from members of this forum, any from VW, very welcome too...........PS, Maybe Mr Van Allen Himself might chime in!!!
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Pillar of the Community
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I always thought an expert was someone who traveled over a hundred miles to tell you what you already knew.
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Pillar of the Community
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OZ, That my friend is the kind of thing this world is lacking in, a sense of humor, do not EVER lose it........Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! LOL.
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Pillar of the Community
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This type of post on what happens after Leroy is quite compelling. It is compelling because there are a lot of people that would like to know what happens next. However, this decision is Leroy's, and perhaps his wife, to make. Mr. Van Allen and the late George Mallis have given us a wonderful gift. I do not foresee any radical change after he is gone. Too much time, too much effort and love of the hobby has been invested to see that happen. The good news (at this point) is no one else or group of individuals is making this call. I trust Leroy's judgement on this. I trust his attributions so for me, this is an easy call to make.
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Pillar of the Community
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While I am admittedly a very biased pessimist, I would label you as a very unbiased optimist.....My bias holds to its roots in what little I know of some of these more prominent folks.... however, I am oblivious to where your optimism emanates from..... so, while my emotions may be high in the short run, my interest in this topic is low to non existent in the long run.... I only hope that for the sake of folks like you and the the many others that I really like (who call themselves vammers), that you are 100% correct in you views.
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Pillar of the Community
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Does anyone on this site actually communicate with Mr Van Allen, phone, e-mail, etc?
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Pillar of the Community
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it is my utter mosts belief in these times of digital "enlightenment" that the coins themselves will yield the truth.........while as we ponder what will happen today, or who will have what say...the coins them selves will prove what they are as our counter parts explore these die marriages, WHICH WAS the "foundation of vamming" in the beginning.....even now, year sets are being exammined to determine which came egg or chicken.....came first...no matter who comes later than today, the digital era will show it all.......and in that as we explore there will be know doubt......
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Valued Member
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The water is calm and smooth on this side of the island, but in that big cove on the other side of the island---there's sharks everywhere!! Beware of the shark who talks out of the side of his mouth while his wallet is filling up and he claims its good for the hobby! IMHO, Leroy would not pass it on to a shark, but only to someone who has a love for the hobby. So trust Leroy and remember, just because you own VAMs, it does not mean that you have a vote or any say in his decision. He lets us use his life work and for that I'm very grateful.
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Pillar of the Community
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I sure do like your words Smitty.....I only wish that you would share your words here more often.....I miss the good guys.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: So trust Leroy and remember, just because you own VAMs, it does not mean that you have a vote or any say in his decision. He lets us use his life work and for that I'm very grateful. I agree, it is Leroy's decision to make and if he doesn't make it before something does happen (because we all know we all usually put off things like this, and we also know none of us are promised tomorrow or even the next hour) then even though I know it will not be popular, I feel there should be no additions to the VAM numbering system. This is just my opinion and I am sure others feel different. About the "love of the hobby and not for personal gain" thing, I have seen some people have honest intentions before and then end up corrupt when money gets involved and turn out to be the biggest snake in the weeds anyone has ever seen. It would be hard to find one person who would have the love and passion that the creator has for their baby
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Pillar of the Community
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I like what I see and the truth about Mr VA'S decision to do anything is the WAY I would like to believe things will be!PS, Truth be told, it's what I do not see, that concerns me!
ALL the lovers of the addicting world of VAMS, I know there are plenty of people out there, on this forum or ANY other, who LOVE the topic, I was hoping to see their comments also?
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Valued Member
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Howdy and Merry XMAS!! I finally got around to reading some of the other threads on this site and ran across this one.
I do not have any particular insight into this topic. I can't really add anything either.
What I can say is this topic always seems to bring out the passion in folks. I think it is because of what we do not know about it.
If I can offer an opinion, the beginnings of what we consider Vamming today were a bunch of knoweldgeable folks studying and collecting in a vacuum from each other. The "hobby" if you want to call it that, was very fragmented. I think it is safe to say that it still is. I think it is this fragmentation that has caused LVA to hold off developing or announcing a transition plan. I believe the SSDC was created to try and eliminate this fragmentation. However, has not worked in my opinion.
I will agree that whenever the time actually comes, it will be a while before the dust settles on this topic.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I believe the SSDC was created to try and eliminate this fragmentation. Do you really think so? I would be interested in knowing if that is actually the case.... however, that would only lead to further conspiracy theories and speculation.
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Valued Member
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I don't know if it is the case or not. Like I said, just my opinion. But makes sense to me.
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