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1937 Proof Walker

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 Posted 12/24/2010  4:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stumpy041486 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do you think of this coin? Does the black stuff on the coin just look like toning or something else? What do you think the grade should be? I'm posting several pics because I couldn't get any good ones.



1937-Proof-Walker

1937-Proof-Walker

1937-Proof-Walker

1937-Proof-Walker

1937-Proof-Walker

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 Posted 12/25/2010  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an uncirculated Indian rupee of 1907 with the same sort of degradation. I have not cleaned it, but it is certainly disappointing as it is.

Potentially, my coin has far less value than the walker, and I would volunteer my coin for experimentation. Any suggestions? I will consider any reasonable approach to removing the black spots, and I will report the results.
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 Posted 12/25/2010  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like toning, possibly promoted by storage in a humid environment. It unfortunately is not attractive toning! This coin could probably be improved by "conservation" (not cleaning!) and the value I think justifies paying NCS to work on it.

Grade on this coin is hard to tell due to the spotting. I'd guess it should grade PR-65 or better after conservation, unless there are hairlines or wear hidden by the tone. I don't see any heavy marks.
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 Posted 12/25/2010  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southerngent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You don't want to attempt to remove the toning your self. You could damage it and then there is no going back> have it professionally conserved. You should check out NCS or Numismatic Conservation Services. They are known to be a reliable service for this.
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 Posted 12/25/2010  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the coin needs to be properly conserved (i.e. dipped). That toning kills the eye appeal of the coin and it's value to a potential buyer.
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 Posted 12/26/2010  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. NCS is the way to go. Even with the oxidation it is a beautiful coin. If you have it done by NCS you should post some before and after photos! I'd love to see 'em.
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 Posted 12/26/2010  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neversuited1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I owned the coin, I would dip it, correctly. But I would not suggest to someone else to dip their own coin...that has to be your decision and depending on training and knowledge of metals and chemicals. If you (or I) had any doubt at all that it may harm the coin, NGC or PCGS is the way to go. Very nice proof btw!
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 Posted 12/27/2010  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin gave me a surge of adrenaline.
What a beauty.
Good question an the toning, I expected everyone to say don't mess with it.
I would love to see before and after pics of professional conservation/cleaning/spot removal.
My SAE looks just like that, and I often wondered if it could be restored.
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If it is.....A proof.....which I agree.......1937 walker....As such.. its far more original...and looks as would life or toning would take its effect.....sure you could go NCS... but with the cost would it still be worth an original untainted coin?or one RESERECTED?
does the market differ? if for example... its already separated from the proof set......how much of a difference is the individual coin worth from the set as it is a set only coin......
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 Posted 01/03/2011  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stumpy041486 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1937-Proof-Walker

So did NGC get it wrong on this one? Or do you think it may have changed after it was slabbed?
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regardless if they got the technical grade correct, it's not a very attractive 66. I still think it might be better to let NCS conserve the piece and put it back into a holder.
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 Posted 01/04/2011  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing wrong with the NGC grade. The toning does not qualify as environmental damage or other problem that would prevent their assigning a grade. However, as Prethen says it's not very attractive. Eye appeal is a factor in grading and if this coin were successfully conserved to remove the spotty tone it might then earn a higher grade.

I'm all for originality, but if original tone looks unattractive to me I won't be enthusiastic about the coin. If you were shopping for a 1937 proof Walker, would you choose this one over a fully brilliant example with the same assigned grade?
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