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Ever since I was young, flipping through the Red Book, there were always two coins that I have wanted to own someday, a 1918/7-D Buffalo nickel, and a Draped Bust Half Dime. Well, I finally picked one up after all these years. It is not a problem free example, but, the problems are very minor in the form of two tiny dents on the reverse which are hardly noticeable. The obverse has a couple of small hits but overall, I thought it was a fairly attractive coin. It has original grey, uncleaned surfaces, with a light tan patina. There are areas of uneven wear.
I purchased it as a Valentine 1 variety but, it looks to be a Valentine 2 "LIBEKTY" variety, even though ER are worn. What are your thoughts?

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I think you're right. The R/K isn't visible in the pictures but another diagnostic point is the date. a line going through the tops of 1 and 8 will go through the middle of the first 0 on Valentine 2, and on Valentine 1 it will go above the first 0.
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It's nice. I love any coin with the Heraldic Eagle reverse! littleboy's diagnostics do indeed make yours a LIBEKTY variety. I looked at some images on CoinFacts and the top of the 1 is much higher than the 8 on all the LIBERKTYs pictured there as is yours.
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Thank you. I also noticed the stars are closer as opposed to the V-1.
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Vermont, you can compare your coin with mine which is indeed the LIBEKTY variety. There is usually weakness in the center reverse (on the stars, right facing wing, and ribbon) due to damage to the die. These are very cool coins and quite scarce in all grades.

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Thanks jaobler, I was hoping you would chime in
I was also thinking die damage or wear, but was not quite sure. The reverse die damage, looks identical to your coin. I am fairly confident it is a LIBEKTY variety. Your coin is very nice. Yeah, I really like mine even though the "K" is not showing.
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jaobler, what TPG is that, NCS? Looks to be about VF30/35 range.
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I love those Heraldic Eagle coins! Super nice - that's a real piece of history there - glad you "realized the dream"!
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Thanks kenkat! I'm a big fan of the Draped Bust coinage. I think it's a beautiful design. Now if only we can get our act together and make a design as beautiful as this for our modern coinage......just wishful thinking.
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Vermont, it's ICG VF-30. It is in a no- problem slab but some time back I tried to cross it at PCGS at VF-25 and they said it had "altered surfaces". I don't see it but then I never do.
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Hmmm, I don't see anything except, if I was looking at this coin at a coin show, I might suspect it has been cleaned at some point due to the brighter white obverse. Other than that, I see some spotty toning but if PCGS was thinking something along the lines of AT for example, I'd have to disagree. They are very tough on early copper and silver. Like I said, you have a beautiful coin.
I'm thinking about slabbing mine eventually, for now, it's in an airtite.
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Beautiful classic coinage from both of you!
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Thanks Johnny
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Certainly a very nice coin. Congrats on filling one of your childhood voids. Mine is the colonial "bar cent" and I know they can get horribly pricy. I'm not sure if I will ever pick one up.

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Those Bar Cents are certainly cool. I almost bought one once at a show but, diagnostically, it didn't look right so I passed, and, it was going to break my bank pretty good. All genuine examples will have a die chip on the second bar from the top on the right hand side. I have also seen cast copies that have this so I would only buy one that is certified by a major TPG.
I hope someday you realize that dream ;-)
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I would try again with the PCGS submission...often they're very fickle. I've also read that they're not that consistent with more...obscure types.
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