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Leroy Van Allen does not list or attribute filled die coins any more as they are a striking error and not a die variety. The fill only usually lasts a few to several dozen coins as the striking of coins wears the fill material away, appearances changing slightly with each striking.
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you guys have the basics correct, In general a study and classification of dies and there marriages... The VNA's are simply coins that were submitted as new discoveries. there minor differences were not worth being assigned a NEW VAM numbers over there old numbers which they have.. |
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Question....are the majority of dollars that show no signs die irregularities considered to be from a normal die and called VAM 1 for that date series? Or maybe I should ask......what are the dollars that are not listed called? Edited by Doucet
02/12/2011 9:41 pm
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Yes this is correct, a VAM 1 is a "normal coin" one with no listable attribution features....now in that dies life or progression it may find its way to clashings or other listable features then it will be assigned a new VAM number |
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Well said Gene, A normal coin could have a die which takes some wicked turn of events, or NOT!!!
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Alright...thanks, I'm starting to get the picture
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Aside from 1878. Where it gets fascinating is the VAM 1 can come in clashed and non clashed versions as well. Even more fascinating, is on some Morgan dollar dates, VAM 1 may not exist at all but is used as a nondescript designator. |
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very true, the VAM one can be clashed, but with no letter transfer it will still be VAM 1 |
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To expand the point, any coins from a clashed die with no letter transfer can be any VAM. It is not confined just to VAM-1. To put it another way, if your coin is from clashed dies, and it has no letter transfer, it does not automatically make it a VAM-1. It is a clashed die version of whatever die classification it falls into. The only exceptions are the 86-P VAM-1C and 86-O VAM-11A. Clashed Morgan dollar dies are very common. |
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this is true, but our point was that it didn't fall into one of the already listed vams it would still be a VAM 1 even if clashed yet no letter transferer...your point is correct if it was a VAM 9. than became clashed with no letter transfeer then it is still just a VAM 9.... |
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VAMs can be very confusing especially for new collectors and even though we are all saying the same thing its being said in different ways so I am going to bow out gracefully knowing the point will get across that I was trying to make in the first place, just in a different way so it will not confuse the OP more. After I say the VAM will be listed but the error ( Grease Filled Dies) will not |
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Oz, my apologies, the coin I was describing was not the coin Dave told me about. This one listed as a 1921 Morgan VAM-41 Top 100. Then it goes on to say: 41B IV 24-D1a, I'm not sure what the IV 24-D1a means. I looked at all the 1921-P VAMs on the vamworld website & couldn't match it up. Maybe I'm still to new at this. I know at the moment I have no Loupes bout I have a 30X on the way that should help.
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02/13/2011 01:30 am
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I believe the D1A is a clerical "referencing or classifying" the reverse die found with the 41A and b ....they used to be VAM 1a,,,but as time goes by revisions are made as more light is studied upon the coin...now the difference between the 41A and b is the polishing(FILE MARKS) lines on the lower reverse... |
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It means a type IV24 obverse die married to a type D1A reverse. Basic Vamming jargon.
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