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55' Ebay DDO

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 Posted 02/14/2011  09:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nismojones to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-55-LINCOLN...em45f8c08b56


Auction is for a circulated DDO 1955 Lincoln Wheat. NOT MINE btw!

I was just wondering if anyone else saw something in that auction in the pictures, if you click on them to enlarge. I immediately didn't feel comfortable with the '9' in the date, as well as the way the 'T' sits in the motto up on the top of the obverse. I matched it up with this one:
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/...1955ddo.html

Could the ebay 55' possibly be a fake? It does almost strike me as odd that it is not slabbed/ would guarantee more money wouldn't it? Idk just a random thought I wanted to post, and see what you guys think.

Cliffs: The 9's tails blend together in the ebay, and have odd curvature at the top '9'. The LCR page shows complete seperation of the tails in the '9'. Thanks guys
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 Posted 02/14/2011  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nismojones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh and I hope I put this in the right area? I didn't see anywhere else.

I'm not declaring this penny a fake IMO, I'm not experienced enough to do that, I'm simply asking the experienced forum members here what they think, this kind of stuff helps me learn in a different way. Thanks CCF!
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 Posted 02/14/2011  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nismojones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

And on the 'R' in 'TRUST'. The middle leg shared by the Doubled 'R', looks pretty weak, shouldn't it be as bold as the rest, if not bolder because of it's location?

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dont think I would buy this raw but looking at copper coins site it seems to very close to the real thing
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
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 Posted 02/14/2011  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From all I can see it does appear to be real, but really cleaned. It's not even worth the current bid, much less more. I would never buy one of these from an auction site without a certified holder around it.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add emh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am by no means an expert on counterfeits but I was reading through the following:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...counter.html

What scares me is the fact that all the pictures on the ebay link are missing close ups of the important parts that one could use to determine if it's fake or not.
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Thanks EMH, that link helped a ton. I'm in no way interested in buying it but I just wanted to know just to know I guess. His looks alright now actually, the rim is flat but looks really worn. and Most of it looks to follow up with what the real one would look like EXCEPT the 9. The bottom 9 has a wide opening curve, and the top 9 almost loops back into touch itself. Also on the zoomed in pic of the date, the 2 9's clearly blend together at the bottom where they meet with no separation noticeable to me anyways. If I was a serious buyer though, I don't think I'd feel comfortable with his explanation either, pretty bland.

My $.02, it's not real, looks like an alteration just by looking at the 9's and how different they are.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are sooooo many 55DDO fakes that sell on ebay! If it's raw and not fake, you can rest assured that most examples will have issues such as cleaning or damage IF they're actually genuine. This is definitely a situation I'd recommend buying one that's slabbed for anyone in the market for a '55.
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On later die states of this coin, here is an interesting die dot that forms below the left wheat stem under o of OF:
55'-Ebay-DDO

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...E_MARKER.jpg
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02/14/2011 1:26 pm
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 Posted 02/14/2011  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow...great image Coop!
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x2 It's that kind of knowledge that let's everyone in on the tricks/tips to clarify something. Thanks for posting that
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The close-up images in the article I wrote that you linked here just show some of the areas that make the counterfeit obvious. Actually if you know what the real ones look like, this counterfeit wasn't even all that good. It weighed the correct amount and rang true because it used a genuine cent blank...but the strike was all wrong. That's the part to be on the watch for, and the purpose of the article. Somewhere in there it mentions that these particular markers should not be used in determining ALL counterfeits as there are a number of different examples created at different times. The most important thing to know is exactly what the REAL ones look like, and almost none of the counterfeits will fool you.

If you don't have the time, resources, or patience to view a BUNCH of real ones, then my fall-back suggestion stands. ALWAYS and ONLY buy them already certified by PCGS or NGC.
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