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Thoughts On Possible Counterfeit Silver Ike

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good morning everyone.
I was hoping to get some opinions regarding a 1972S Silver Dollar proof Ike I bought on ebay. Diameter/thickness are good, but the weight is a bit light coming in at 24.02g (should weigh 24.59g). In addition, the silver ping sounds a bit different compared to others.

Should I be concerned that this is a fake?

Thanks for any help in advance!

EDIT: I'll also add that all the details of the coin look perfect.
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02/26/2011 10:10 am
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Welcome to the CCF. Are you sure that it's just not well circulated? You didn't say whether it was still a Proof or a Proof well circulated. Also, a picture would help. If you did the ring test, did it sound like other silver Ikes? Also, remember that only the Blue, Brown, and 1976 SMS Ikes were silver.
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Mint tolerance for silver coinage is 1%, IIRC... this is almost double that.

I'd be leery.

Although a silver ike is a strange, strange thing to counterfeit.
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In addition, the silver ping sounds a bit different compared to others.


By ping I would guess your dropping that coin on something hard. I suggest you try that a few dozen more times. The additional dents, dings, scratches from dropping it should really add to the no value situation. Then you wouldn't have to worry about it being a fake or not. Have you tried throwing it against a wall yet? If a brick wall, should really make a great ping.
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 Posted 02/26/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I don't believe that that coin is worth counterfeiting and I would assume it is the real Mc Coy. LOL
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Personally I don't believe that that coin is worth counterfeiting


Exactly why someone might counterfeit it. One wouldn't suspect it.
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Thanks for the reply guys! Here are some scans I took so hopefully theyll be good enough. The silver resonating ping is there, but it does sound a bit different at times compared to the others I have. Its not circulated, although does have a few blemishes here and there.

So please let me know what you think. Thank you!

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In addition, the silver ping sounds a bit different compared to others.



By ping I would guess your dropping that coin on something hard. I suggest you try that a few dozen more times. The additional dents, dings, scratches from dropping it should really add to the no value situation. Then you wouldn't have to worry about it being a fake or not. Have you tried throwing it against a wall yet? If a brick wall, should really make a great ping.


Im going to go ahead and speculate that youre a lonely, lonely man......
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I'd like to point out that I've rarely come across a consumer scale that is actually deadly accurate at all temps and all various humidity levels unless it's an old fashioned triple beam unit with calibration.

Professional scientific scales not included here, I said consumer grade.
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I'd go out on a limb and say it's highly unlikely due to the value
and the fact that it looks good but if you suspect a problem I would investigate
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Check the edge for the clad layer. a drop of jeweluster may help. It's almost impossible to counterfeit clad, and not likely for a few bucks.
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Mint tolerance for silver coinage is 1%, IIRC

Mint tolerance for a 40% silver Ike is +/- .984 grams. Tolerance on 40% runs close to 4%. On the older 90% silver coins tolerances were MUCH tighter, closer to .4% Tolerance on a 412.5 grain silver dollar was 1.5 grains.
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 Posted 02/28/2011  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I found something like that except it is totally the opposite. A 1972-s, I picked up for $2 is marked S mint but is not proof and not silver. Figure that out.
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On the tolerance issue, you have to remember that 40% silver coins are three layer clad like copper-nickel clad coins (except all 3 layers are silver color) and clad coinage is much harder to hold tolerances on. So, as Conder101 notes, tolerance is much looser on 40% silver than on the solid 90% stuff.
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It came from a proof mint set. They're not silver.
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Im going to go ahead and speculate that youre a lonely, lonely man......



More like bored. The reason it's a good idea to lurk before you post is to get a feel for a forum. Some posters have their tongues firmly implanted in check, or just like to pull people's chain every now and then.
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