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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hi.
I'm wondering if lightly washing off caked on dirt and gunk from coins devalues them. Say if I use a bit of dish soap and warm water with a soft toothbrush?
Thanks :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ultimately, yes!
The soap can contain abrasives that will leave hairline scratches all over the coin, if the brush or dirt doesn't.
But, depending on the "cake" and "gunk" and the coin, you have to determine if it's worth it in the first place. You can try long soaks without abrasion first to see what kind of "garbage" lifts off the coin first.
Edited by Scooby Due 03/09/2011 4:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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O dear... please, no toothbrush... 
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
864 Posts |
Oops, "no toothbrush" noted ;)
I should mention I'm mainly collecting pennies. I would NOT mess with silver coins at all without asking advice first.
Maybe one day down the road, FAR down the road that is, budget permitting, I may end up trying the CCF famed Verdigris because a number of older pennies have that issue to various degrees. LOTS more priorities before that day can come though.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Thanks a lot Scooby :)
I have Sunlight dishsoap and a soft toothbrush then pat dry with a terry towel. Some of the coins, especially the pre 1970's have lots of caked on dirt in and around the devices. While some would come off with soaking, I'm sure, a lot needs a little help to brush it off, or brush the dirt off that the soaking didn't loosen.
I would think the decision to mess with a coin by cleaning it is a judgement call depending on the coin too so thanks for that headsup. I think if it were a really super key date and possibly pretty valuable, I wouldn't touch it but get someone else to restore it properly.
Some of what I want to wash the dirt from are coins like the 1962 because there's too much dirt to see if its a guitar or harp, or another date could be a hanging number etc.
So would sunlight soap also destroy the patina of a coin? (wouldn't want to do that to a coin that might be worth quite a bit, or a lot)
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Pillar of the Community
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PS: that last longer post got hung when I lost connection to CCF and just appeared now ;)
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The best thing to do is place all of those dirty coins in a sock and put in with your wash in a washing machine. Next the dryer. Since it is a known fact that socks vanish in a washer or dryer, so those coins too will vanish and no more dirty coins.  DO NOT WASH COINS. I've mentioned this many times. Dish soaps are all different. And even the same brands change formulae periodically to stop compitition from copying. Tap water everywhere on Earth is different also. If you use tap watter if may contain salts, Flourides, Chlorides, Oxides and all sort of STUFF. If you have a water softener, that water is really bad for coins, plants and many other things. Almost any brush will leave lines on coins. Some coins are softer than you think so lines are accumulative. In other words the more you use a brush on them, the more the lines will be there. IF you really have to, just allow them to soak in distilled water and air dry with a hair dryer on warm. DO NOT CLEAN COINS.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: CCF famed Verdigris We have famous verdigris?! No, really, it's Verdi-Care  It doesn't really work on dirt, just the mean green verdigris on the coins. Distilled water is indeed your best bet - soak them for a bit, swish them gently around, rinse off in some clean distilled, and either allow to air dry on a soft towel or use just carl's warm dryer.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Oopsie  must have been thinking of Ambergris musk oil  Ok, on shopping list: distilled water. I've never bought distilled water before that I'm aware of. Occassionally I buy bottled drinking water, not mineral!, is this "distilled"? I've never noticed (you can tell I'm not a health food nut when it comes to brands of bottled waters) I think I'd air dry. Sounds like Dryer Coins don't sell  Thanks you Just Carl & Xshift!
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 United States
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last time I bought distilled water, the supermarket had it in 5 gallon jugs. Drinking water is not distilled water. Distilled water is also best water to use in automobile batteries.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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For dirty coins, I just rub them gently between my fingers with very soapy water. That way, I clean my fingers as well! Just thoroughly rinse and dry the coin er, and fingers as well! Circulated gold responds to this treatment best. I never brush any coin.
Nevertheless, the points just carl makes are right. I only use this method on coins up to EF. Acetone is the way to go with coins in uncirculated or better condition.
I rarely have the need to clean ANY coin.
The answer to the question in my opinion: for coins below EF grade: No.
Edited by sel_69l 03/10/2011 06:19 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for all the good advice folks.
I mostly search rolls that customers wrap and bring to the bank, so some coins are really dirty. Some also pretty trashed ones stuck in the middles of them too :D Amazing what conditions you can find in these rolls. You get good mixes of dates though and lots of US in our Canadian rolls, plus sometimes some very good looking like new looking ones. I like the mixed customer rolls as I never know what cool finds I'll get.
Anyways, thanks again for all your responses in here. It helps me lots.
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Philippines
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Hi Dottir, I also get some coins here covered with tar, after being submerged in some river bed for some decades You would need a 24x loupe to see the dirt, reason is even using very soft tissue to clean the coin, leaves scratches on the coin. Using the 24x loupe you can see that the scratches are actually on the Dirt, and Not on the metal of the coin. to restore coin surface to the light of day, I just submerge the tar covered coin 5 sec in acetone and then submerge in water, with soap but use only your thumb to wipe off the dirt. again I only use this restoring technique on hopeless coins covered with solid tar, these are quite common here in asia to find in dealer's large coin bowls selling at 20cents each  a coin I got from a coin bowl was covered with tar, but the little sheen looked promising, turned out to be a 1924 Fookien 20 cents & silver in VF-XF krause listed at $40! & I got it tar covered, at 20 cents
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Thanks for all the tips, and also the great stories about tar and coins. I really liked your 20 cent piece story. Good score! I sure get some interesting coins in rolls. I've found coins painted with nailpolish. Coins coated in what appears like a plastic like finish (burgundy brownish colours) plus I get very interesting colours, makes me think of gasoline on water, those rainbow-y colours. Then weird green tint stuff. Don't know what that is  and other times black goopy tarry looking "i dunno what this is" stuff but I cringe and scared to touch it  I wash my hands LOTS!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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"Out damned spot!"...... (Shakespeare), and MacBeth was not trying to kick his dog out of the kitchen!
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